Lubing for taper crimp

[MoreIsLess]

I just bought a Redding taper crimp 9mm die. In the instructions it recommended applying case lube to the case mouth every 4 or 5 rounds (of course they recommend their own brand of case lube that they sell). I have had Dillon crimp dies and I don't recall them suggesting any lube.

Anyone ever here tell of this or do you lube cases before crimping

 

[Walkalong]

Never have, never a problem. The amount of "crimp" for 9MM is so minimal there is no need. All it has to do is remove the belling.

 

[Walkalong]

Oh, and I have some Redding taper crimp dies in other calibers. My 9MM one happens to be a C&H.

 

[Dudedog]

Never lubed 9mm cases when using my Hornady taper crimp die of the Lee FCD.
I do wet tumble them in wash and wax however so the wash and wax may help a bit.

(for that matter I don't lube, .380, .38, .357 or .45)

 

[9mmepiphany]

Anyone ever here tell of this or do you lube cases before crimping

Not specifically for crimping, but I do lube 9x19mm cases before running them in the Sizing Die and there is still lube on the case when it gets over to the Crimp Die when I'm loading on the progressive press.

My only full set of Redding Dies is my .38 Special Dual Ring Pro Set with Competition Seating Die. I don't remember seeing that instruction for the Profile Crimp Die...but then I didn't read them very closely when setting them up

 

[MoreIsLess]

I don't remember seeing that instruction for the Profile Crimp Die...but then I didn't read them very closely when setting them up

FYI:

 

[red rick]

I just used my Redding taper crimp dies last week and I lightly lubricated them . I will add that I have not been reloading for years , I was just following the instructions with the dies and I would not disagree with those that don't lubricate them and have been loading for decades . I am still loading in stages , so it does not take me much extra time to do it . If I was loading on a progressive press , I wouldn't .

 

[tcj]

I only lube (including taper like 9's) for reszing and will clean (ultrasonic) my brass afterwards...never had a problem with my crimping dies which are Lee FCDs.

 

[MoreIsLess]

I just used my Redding taper crimp dies last week and I lightly lubricated them . I will add that I have not been reloading for years , I was just following the instructions with the dies and I would not disagree with those that don't lubricate them and have been loading for decades . I am still loading in stages , so it does not take me much extra time to do it . If I was loading on a progressive press , I wouldn't .

I don't mind lubricating the die so much, but lubricating the rounds, at least the way Redding suggests (placing a dab of case lube near the case mouth every few rounds) defeats the whole purpose of a progressive press. I do use One Shot or Dillon spray lube to lube cases before loading but I have no plans to lube individual cases with Redding lube

Makes me think maybe I should have gotten a Dillon crimp die. I have a Dillon crimp die for 45acp, I bought the Redding for 9mm's

 

[mdi]

Even though Redding recommends lubing brass for the taper crimp and profile crimp dies, I think it's a personal choice. Like many here I've never heard this suggestion and can't remember trying it. I have, however lubed cases for sizing in "lube less" carbide dies and it does make a difference, especially when sizing 100+ 44 Magnum cases. My Profile Crimp dies have never seen any lubed cases and they seem to work just fine. One additional thought; I dry tumble and often add a bit of auto polish/wax to the media, mostly to give the brass a light film coat to protect against tarnish. I'm sure this little bit of wax adds some lubrication, but I've only been doing this for mebbe 20 years, but have used Profile Crimp dies for about 30+...

 

[rfwobbly]

Not specifically for crimping, but I lube 9x19mm cases before running them in the Sizing Die and there is still lube on the case when it gets over to the Taper Crimp Die when I'm loading on the progressive press.

Exactly.

► No matter what kind or brand of Sizing Die you use, case lube will make your job easier and your final cartridge results will be much more consistent if you'll use some kind of lube from the start. Just becasue case lube may not be needed, doesn't mean that that case lube won't help. No one ever said that.

► What your instructions are saying is correct. There is some small sliding action during the Taper Crimp process. Redding is telling you this becasue they DON'T know if you are running 50 rounds/hr on a single stage press, or 1000+ rounds/hr on a fully automated and motorized production press.

Those instructions are simply a nice way of saying: Don't expect to run these dies 24/7 in your ammo factory and wear them out in 4 days and expect a refund.


Hope this makes sense.

 

[Slamfire]

I got into the habit of lubing my 9mm cases before sizing. Dry 9mm cases, for whatever reason, are hard to get into the die. When they finally got into the sizing die, the effort was such, they bumped the sizing die, and that caused powder to spill out of the top of my Dillion powder horn. I am using a Dillion 550B. Lubrication the cases before sizing, these cases just slide into the sizing die, primed normally, powder filled normally, never had a problem crimping.

And I shot the things lubricated. They feed and extract better. The gun functions better. Just don't drop them in the dirt because you will have to wipe them off, but then, you would do that anyway, with a dry case, right?

 

[cw308]

I wet tumble using SS Pins , cases come out like brand new , clean inside and out . When the cases are that clean adding Imperial dry neck lube with those beads when seating . This prevents the case necks bonding to the bullet . When sizing , I'm using carbide dies , no lube is needed . Any sizing should be with clean cases . I'm loading 45acp , no different then 9mm with a taper crimp . Benchrest only with 308 . I also tumble again to remove wet lube after sizing . Then dry lube the inside of case necks lightly for seating the bullet . Works for me . Hope I Helped .

Chris