M1/M1A USGI Recievers

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So 'Boston's Gun Bible' has really got me jonesin for an M1 style rifle.

Ill keep it simple; I want a USGI Receiver. No Springfield 'cast' stuff i hear so much about. I know Fulton Armory makes some amazing rifles, but is there anything more affordable out there? Im aware of the CMP program, but how well are those guns maintained? Is their reliability up to par with that of something from fulton?

I suppose if all else fails i can "break down" and get a new fulton :evil:
 
Oh, and LRB is also a consideration. Im not hearing favorable things about Fulton receivers around here.
 
(1) If you are talking an M1 Garand, they're out there, but expect to pay for one in good condition. (2) If you are talking an M14 / M1A, you cannot get USGI receivers as they have a selector switch for fully automatic fire, and thus cannot ever be released to civilian hands. The ATF's rule is "Once a machine gun, always a machine gun", and because of this you cannot legally own a USGI receiver, even if you could obtain it, without having it registered under the NFA.

That being said, there is NOTHING wrong with the Springfield M1A. No reason to not own one. Springfield made a good product.
 
I second that! Springfield makes a darn good rifle! I have one that will be in my hands tomorrow and I have handled quite a few! The CMP rifles are hit and miss I will be going to Anniston AL to go get one next month or two that way I can pick the one I want and try to get the best for me! The CMP's are all dependent on the grade you get
 
Im assuming this comes from experience with the SA rifles? I dont have any firsthand experience so i have to go by what the almighty internets tell me. (then again, the internets told me my SW 629 would lock up on me... and here i am 300rds later).

I guess ill get a standard and just be happy until i can swap the receiver for an LRB or something... and even then, if i dont have any failures there wouldn't be a reason to swap it.

Or would you suggest a different SA M1A model?
 
I have three Springfield Armory Inc. M1A's.Excellent rifles,with cast receivers.
I also have three (CMP) USGI Garands.Excellent rifles,with forged receivers.
All of Fulton's receivers are cast.Makes no difference.If you want an M1 Garand,CMP is your best bet.If you want an M1A (clone of an M14) Springfield Armory is a great choice.
 
USGI M14 receivers are forged and select fire - civilian ownership is forbiden.

The closest to USGI are the forged receivers from Norinco and Poly Tech.
Next best is a forged LRB and the holy grail would be a rare Smith Enterprise, Inc. receiver.
Some of the SEI receivers were select fire and legal for civilian ownership.



My personal favorite are the Poly Tech and Norinco receivers.
 
USGI M14 receivers are forged and select fire - civilian ownership is forbiden.
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Forged yes, forbiden to civilians, NO. :cuss:

You CAN legally own a select fire weapon!!! You just got to jump thru a couple more hoops. :scrutiny:
 
forged yes, forbiden to civilians, NO.
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M14 rifles have never been registered so they can never be transfered to a civilian. No civilian will ever own an M14. There have been select fire M14 clone receivers made by SAI and SEI that are registered and can be transferred maybe that is what you refer to.
 
M14 rifles have never been registered so they can never be transfered to a civilian. No civilian will ever own an M14. There have been select fire M14 clone receivers made by SAI and SEI that are registered and can be transferred maybe that is what you refer to.
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Actually, there are a handful of USGI M-14 rifle registered on Form 4's that are eligible for ordinary citizen ownership.

I believe they were transfered from the .mil to the Forest Service (or a similiar dept, can't recall) and then wound up later getting transfered out from that department on a Form 4.

We're talking about less then six or eight rifles though, IIRC.
 
The M-1 Garand and M-1A are two different rifles.

The CMP program is the best deal going on authentic USGI M-1 Garand rifles.

Get the best grade available when you purchase. I recommend "Service Grade" as being the most value for the money. I'd avoid "Rack" or "Field" grade unless you definately plan to rebarrel.

Really, the rifles are in good shape. And they are checked out by the armorers before they are sold.

It's a USGI rifle, right from a government armory to the CMP to your door, at a great price. What could be better?
 
We're talking about less then six or eight rifles though, IIRC.
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I never heard that story, any links or a book reference? I don't doubt it but those rifles are probably worth 30k at least if one ever comes up for sale.

I knew at one point CMP tried to hack of the FA lug and sell them as semis but obviously that did not work out. They would have been pretty easy to convert back to FA.
 
According to the book M14 Rifle History and Development by Lee Emerson, a small number of M14 rifles are indeed registered NFA weapons. Once I saw one on Gunbroker, and if I remember correct, it was 28,000. They came from sources that similar to the ones that Trebor listed.
Google it and see, at one point you could just download the book for free, now thats its been published I don't know.
 
I know of zero real deal USGI M14s being legally owned by civilians - none.

If there are a few of them out there, then Lee Emerson is the man with the true story behind them.
 
Im not talking about DCM team match rifles that sombody "forgot" to turn in although Ive seen a couple of those.

Im talking legally transferable rifles.

There were 4 M-14's for sale at the last SAR show.

They came out of a nucular power plant, and were "custom" engraved by a 2nd grader with a electro-pencil as such.

I think the guy was asking ~100 k for the whole group.
 
Once I saw one on Gunbroker, and if I remember correct, it was 28,000.
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I highly doubt there are 28,000 legally registered M14s out there. I know of Different's book but I never heard the claim of that high of a number. If it said so in Different's book I would believe it but it sounds like way too high of a number.
 
I think that was $28,000 he was refering to.

Just one of the hoops ya got to get thru.
 
I highly doubt there are 28,000 legally registered M14s out there. I know of Different's book but I never heard the claim of that high of a number. If it said so in Different's book I would believe it but it sounds like way too high of a number.
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I am sure he's talking price. The last number I saw quoted was back in the late 80's but it was right around 200 or so transferable M14's on the books. I suspect most of those were SEI.

I know of zero real deal USGI M14s being legally owned by civilians - none.
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A local dealer had a "real deal" Winchester M14 DEWAT reactivated by Specialty Arms in Ohio. So that's "sort of" the real thing.
It went for LOTS of money. So whether or not you count that as "real" would be a semantics debate I guess.


As a sidenote, Smith recently built a transferable rifle on a New Old Stock receiver they had. It was listed at $22,000 on their website.

Shows sold but the listing is still there :) Made me drool and was sold before I saw the ad or it would be in my living room LOL

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products16.html
 
Ah yes read that too quickly thought you saw the book on GB and it said there were 28,000 out there. Yes $30,000 sounds about right.
 
Ron Smith offered me that particular NFA MK14 at an incredibly sweet
price, but I don't want a select fire M14 - semi auto is perfect for me.

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my local dealer has a usgi m14 reciever he built himself. it has been cut and rewelded though. winchester manufacture.

built as in assemble the rifle, not actually mill the reciever
 
If true sounds like your dealer has an illegal unregistered machine gun. I would assume he would ask some discretion on your part not to go reporting his crime on the internets.
 
If you want a full auto M1A, they are out there. I know of no other difference other than the stamp on the receiver. So if you want that particular stamp you may have to do some hunting.

However if you want a gun that is almost identical in function and looks, there are two of them listed here.

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html

1st one about 1/3rd way down
2nd about 2/3rds of way down.
 
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