M10 AK47s and 74s?
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Rob G
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If you look there's a thread around here somewhere about them and the general consensus is that they're good to go.
You are correct in that they're Romanian, or mostly so. The receiver, barrel, gas tube, bolt carrier group, FSB and a few other small parts are all Romanian. The furniture, muzzle break, and trigger are American made but done by a good company. Fit and finish on the one I got to handle was good and I've heard the same from other people who own them.
I'd consider them a good quality. If you're looking for an AK and aren't really concerned with having a traditional looking AK pattern rifle then these are great buys and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
You are correct in that they're Romanian, or mostly so. The receiver, barrel, gas tube, bolt carrier group, FSB and a few other small parts are all Romanian. The furniture, muzzle break, and trigger are American made but done by a good company. Fit and finish on the one I got to handle was good and I've heard the same from other people who own them.
I'd consider them a good quality. If you're looking for an AK and aren't really concerned with having a traditional looking AK pattern rifle then these are great buys and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
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We just got in a shipment of them and all looked good we randomly selected rifles out of the shipment for test firing and all went well. They seem to be a step UP from the WASR series wiht a few extra & better features . Below are some pics
InkEd
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Mikhail will frown at you. If you want to hand crap from your gun buy an AR.
henschman
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Whatever extra and better features they have, the iron sights aren't one of them.
The M10 is produced from 100% NEW production factory parts....then we replace a few of them with new 922r compliant components; these are not "second quality". They have been fitted with cold-hammer forged chrome-lined barrels to improve durability and accuracy. The Flash Hiders were designed in-house by our chief engineer and gunsmith.
Currently they have sold out at the majority of retailers, and we have been getting slammed with requests from dealers and distributers all over the US. The biggest challenge has been keeping up with the demand....but it's a challenge we are taking head-on.
I am picking up another for my personal use today and immediately proceeding from the range
. I intentionally had one shipped to an FFL as a "customer" to see how it comes in. We want to see what the customer is seeing and ensure every step from production to delivery is handled to our standards. First and foremost, we want to provide the best quality at an affordable price as possible.
Let me know if you guys have any direct questions or ideas; I can't make promises concerning implementation or development of new products as these have to be approved at higher levels...cost analysis blah blah..you know the deal...but I will pass it along.
Tim
Currently they have sold out at the majority of retailers, and we have been getting slammed with requests from dealers and distributers all over the US. The biggest challenge has been keeping up with the demand....but it's a challenge we are taking head-on.
I am picking up another for my personal use today and immediately proceeding from the range
. I intentionally had one shipped to an FFL as a "customer" to see how it comes in. We want to see what the customer is seeing and ensure every step from production to delivery is handled to our standards. First and foremost, we want to provide the best quality at an affordable price as possible. Let me know if you guys have any direct questions or ideas; I can't make promises concerning implementation or development of new products as these have to be approved at higher levels...cost analysis blah blah..you know the deal...but I will pass it along.
Tim
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What improvements in the sights would you like to see? Again, I can't make any promises that we can make immediate changes, but we can put it on the list.
Tim
JustinJ
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I assume he is talking about the shorter sight radius. The Draco style gas block/front sight may look cool but it reduces practical accuracy.
It does shorten the sight radius. However, it eliminates a separate sight block which reduces weight and also effectively moves the weight balance rearward rear which is a benefit. For transitioning having less weight at the end of the muzzle is better and might also positively affect practical accuracy. You'll find a bunch of folks paying a bunch of money to add sight blocks similar to that to their AKs. Many are doing it for practical reasons separate from looking cool. Like many things there are trade offs
The best solution IMHO is a RDS. Another option to get a longer sight radius with the advantages of the gas block would be a rear peep. There are various methods of adding a rear peep sight.
Is the barrel itself 16.25" or is the flash hider pinned to make it 16.25?
What make is the quad rail? I wouldn't mind seeing one with non railed plastic hand guards if it would make it notably cheaper. Personally I'd be inclined to scrap those railed hand guards to be able to run something that could co-witness an aimpoint.
The best solution IMHO is a RDS. Another option to get a longer sight radius with the advantages of the gas block would be a rear peep. There are various methods of adding a rear peep sight.
Is the barrel itself 16.25" or is the flash hider pinned to make it 16.25?
What make is the quad rail? I wouldn't mind seeing one with non railed plastic hand guards if it would make it notably cheaper. Personally I'd be inclined to scrap those railed hand guards to be able to run something that could co-witness an aimpoint.
JustinJ
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Except removing the foreward weight would then also increase muzzle claim thereby slowing transition. Realistically though i have a hard time believing it will make a difference at all in transition speed but will certainly decrease practical accuracy.
Who? Or better yet who that actually uses an AK in real life? I'd be more inclinded to go with the configuration that armies who use them prefer.
The rail looks just like the UTG one but without the protrustion over the gas block. I have one on my Yugo but don't care for how heavy they are.
henschman
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Yeah, my criticism was directed at the sight radius. I already don't like how short the standard AK sight radius is, and this makes it even shorter! Shorter is definitely less precise. Moving the front sight rearward also makes the post appear fatter in your sight picture. A standard AK front post is already on the fat side. Also, if the rear sight is marked the same as a regular AK, making the sight radius shorter will make the elevation settings no longer accurate for the ranges they are marked for.
Yeah, an aperture rear sight would help, but it's even better with an aperture rear and the front sight in the original place, out on the end of the barrel. That gives them the same sight radius as a 20" barreled AR.
The weight savings from a gas block front sight would be minuscule. And it's not as if the standard 6.5 lb. AK is slow to point or anything, with the original front sight. I just think any possible benefits of that setup would be outweighed by the downsides of having such short sight radius.
But I'm in total agreeance that a nice co-witnessed red dot is the way to go. The iron sights become less of an issue then, though I do like to have them for backup.
Kudos for using chrome-lined barrels on these, too. Most American-made barrels skip that feature, which I think is very important on this kind of rifle, especially considering the kind of ammo that is usually run through them.
Yeah, an aperture rear sight would help, but it's even better with an aperture rear and the front sight in the original place, out on the end of the barrel. That gives them the same sight radius as a 20" barreled AR.
The weight savings from a gas block front sight would be minuscule. And it's not as if the standard 6.5 lb. AK is slow to point or anything, with the original front sight. I just think any possible benefits of that setup would be outweighed by the downsides of having such short sight radius.
But I'm in total agreeance that a nice co-witnessed red dot is the way to go. The iron sights become less of an issue then, though I do like to have them for backup.
Kudos for using chrome-lined barrels on these, too. Most American-made barrels skip that feature, which I think is very important on this kind of rifle, especially considering the kind of ammo that is usually run through them.
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http://texasweaponsystems.com/ I intend to get one of these when I get an M10. I don't like the stock AK sighting systems no matter how short the radius is but thats just MHO
JustinJ
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The real irony is people who argue in favor of the AR15 over the AK like to complain about the short sight radius when in fact an M4 and AK are just about the same.
Rob G
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True. My buddy and I measured the sight radius on his M4 style AR vs my AK one time. I can't remember the exact measurement but it was only about an inch different. I don't think the distance from eye to rear sight is that much different either.
same here, there always seems to be some debate on the ak sights being short, well my eyes may be worse than yours or better, i guess it all depends on whos behind that ak shootin, whether you could shoot it or not. sure theres other things to improve the ak sights, reddots etc.. its up to you, but talking stock sights they work fine for me. i have a couple type ak variants with sight radius ranging from 6-1/4" through 22", and have no problems or complaints. heck this is what my mini shot with the shortest sight radius of them all, w/front bag
it aint no tack driver,hehe but groups are good enough for me
it aint no tack driver,hehe but groups are good enough for me
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