M1841 Mississippi Rifle Questions

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With proper range practice and load development, the 61 Springfield will hit targets accurately as far out as your naked eye can see.

Civil War sharpshooters did some amazing shooting with these rifles, using the issued sights.
 
I looked at these sights yesterday after seeing this discussion, they are very similar to the Springfield sights, and some sellers have both. There were a couple or more outfits that sold the sights. Looks like one screw hole needs to be drilled and tapped to mount the sight. Could make a dovetail filler on the 1841 and drill it safely (off the gun) for the later type sight.

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Well here in England everyone one who shoots old muzzle loading rifles swears by 2 band Enfield rifles.

I walked into the pub the other night (Gun night) with an original 1861 Springfield.
The room went quiet and sullen!

Get your self a Springfield far superior to an Enfield and not 20 years out of date!
 
Granted most "Enfields" in the CSA were London Armory Company three band rifles...... But I believe that in the South P56 two band rifles were not "uncommon"

I do not have the numbers in front of me but I suspect they were at least as common as 1841 Rifles.

The LAC P53s were relatively common because the CSA contracted for the total output of that company before the Union was able to and LAC was an approved substitute for UK military and such and was capable of large scale production with full interchangeable parts.

Because of the Crimean War and the forming of Volunteer Rifle Corps in Great Britain a number of firms had set about to make both three band and two band rifles and even some carbines. The Government there was concerned about taking care of all these different make of rifles should these units be called up and had just announced they would be the source of such rifles from either the Enfield Arsenal or LAC.

This left a bunch of folks with rifles no one in Britain wanted and the Government failed to obtain an exclusive contract from LAC.

Many of the Volunteer rifles were assemblages of parts from various contractors amassed and assembled by the "Maker" and some were what might be called standard only out of politeness. On the other hand as I meantioned William Greener made excellent two band rifles with atleast two different types of rifling to his high standards.... and cost.

In the CSA Enfields of all types were rated as those that had no interchangeable parts, to those that had interchangeable with in a lot of rifles or with in an issued unit, and those like the LAC guns that were fully interchangeable.

Keep in mind that early in the war, at least in the South, it was pretty much "dance with the girl you brought" as men assembled in county seats with whatever miss match of guns they had. This made ammunition supply "catch as catch can" and weapons repair anyone's guess.

A large number of Militia on both sides would fight in 1861 with smooth bore muskets with only a front sight, or bayonet mount really, and many of those would be converted flint lock and some not converted. Flintlock smooth bores were used in combat against Union troops as late as 1865 at the Battle of Natural Bridge Florida......and held the line.

-kBob
 
Just for giggles I did a quick Google search for images of original 1841 rifles.

I saw the fixed sights.

I saw the US leaf sights

I saw Colt revolving rifle sights ( on rifles rebored at Colt's and given a bayonet lug)

I saw what appeared to be a version of the Enfield type steps and ladder sight on a rifle with an odd front band that looked otherwise correct for an 1841.

As usual there was a lot of stuff that seemed to bear no resemblance to an M-1841 as well including some sporting stuff and some sort of back lock and what appeared to be a modern reproduction with a TC style adjustable rear sight.

-kBob
 
More Google-Fu yields the number of two band Enfields to the CSA as 50,000 of all types with P56 being the most common.

The P56 was basically just a shortened P53 and had the P53's rifling twist.

P58 aka Naval Rifle had a heavier barrel and a progressive depth/ twist ending in 1 in 48. It had brass fittings like one would expect of anything marked Naval and despite Italian reproductions the least common.

The P60 appears to have been the P58 with Steel fittings.

These shorter rifles actually cost more than the P53, likely because of the saber bayonet issued with them.

Whole regiments in the North were armed with them as well.

JEB Stuart complained that while they were the favored rifles of his Cav troopers he had a hard time getting them yet had seen a CSA Infantry Brigade armed with the two band rifles.

In an 1863 test in the Army of Northern Virginia it was found most of the Civil War era rifles shot about the same to 500 yards but to 1000 the P58 and P60 beat out the other .577/.58 rifles when English ammunition was available.

Not that I am interested in this sort of thing or anything........

-kBob
 
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