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Apr 13, 2007
United States of America
does anyone know where i can get a gun like this one?

it doesn't have to be a Mac-10, it can be a clone (cheaper version), plus... caliber is not a problem it can me 9mm, .40, .45... can anyone tell me other names (variants) that a mac-10 have?
Man, you could have at least found a picture with a shoulder stock equipped, then we wouldn't have to complain that you posted a topic about a *gasp* pistol in the rifle forum! :)
You don't want one. Their jam-o-matics . J&G sales has FA ones for around 4000 bucks you can get an Ingram M-10 for about 350 if you look. Really you can get much better side arms for the money.
Real ones, full auto that is, are still available from several dealers new in the box or lightly test fired. Those are mostly SWD copies, they made literally truckloads of them.

I've been seeing them in the $4000 range which is pretty steep for the sheetmetal that they are but a bargain indeed in the full auto world.

As for the variants man.... there were tons of them.

The originals were made by a company called Ingram, who sold the design to Military Armament Corporation (MAC).

The "real" ones were the M10, in .45 ACP and the M11, in 9mm. They had folding wire stocks.

Somewhere along the way a company called Cobray got into it too, but I can't remember the timeline any more.
Can't remember if Cobray made the full autos or just a semi.

There were also a couple of other companies making clones, SWD and RPB are a couple I can recall. I've seen them in .380 from SWD if I remember.

Most of those, even the semi models, were open bolt fired before ATF poo pooed that so they still command a fairly high price for what they are.

I don't know of anyone that ever made a closed bolt model but there are probably some.

Firing them is really a joke. The cyclic rate is just ridiculously high, but it's fun for a while and a good way to enter the NFA game.
These and Uzis are probably the most reasonably priced autos out there.
but it looks like a fair price...

You might want to do some research on that company, Masterpiece. I have read mixed reviews but have no personal knowledge of their stuff.

The owner used to post here, not sure what happened to him.
General Geoff,

That picture does show a shoulder stock. I did not like that folsding wire thing much but that is a shoulder stock.

The vast majority of MAC 10s were made by COBray. The design was by Ingram. who had earlier designed two neat traditional SMGs that did not sell as well because of the amount of Surlpus SMGs floating around after WWII. He made his big sales of traditional guns in SOuth America and Thialand and smaller sales to a few AMerican Police departments.

His MAC10 Caught the attention of Mitch Warbell and his Military Armaments Corp which mainly delt in developing designs and selling them. THe threaded muzzle was for a Warbell designed suppressor.

The gun got a lot of press in the gun rags, especially Soldier of Fortune and the movies and they were cheap compared to other SMGs....thus they were popular.

THe gun in the picture is missing a short canvas strap that hung just at the front of the reciever proper and at the base of the barrel threading. This strap was used sort of like a front pistol grip, but its most important use was that when grapped, it prevented the shooter frome getting parts of the support hand infront of the muzzle.

We joked that the straps were to hand to the victim to hold so the gun would stay on target. "Knock Knock. Candy gram! Her hold this."

The suppressor made the gun much more easy to handle and an after market stock that was sturdier. though not as concealable added greatly to usability.

There was a Carbine kit that allowed on to but a longer "barrel with a wooden fore stock on the gun and a more sturdy butt stock, one model of which was a non folding wooden stock.

Shooting them "movie style" one handed like a pistol on full auto was an interesting if pointless experience.

They used modified M3 Grease gun magazines some of which were available as slightly more than grip length 12 round mags for concealment. At least one holster maker made a shoulder holster for it and COBray made a belt sheath.

WHen COBray's store front in Atlanta was going out of business they were going for $75 (plus tax) in a neat little plastic box or a sturdy cardboard box.

Wish I had bought ten and squirreled them away.

-Bob Hollingsworth
I bought my first mac many years ago for $125, iirc. It was the open bolt M10 in .45 acp. Sold it a year or so ago for a substantial profit.
In addition there was an m10 in 9m/m para and an m11 in .380 acp.
After that there was an m11-9 that was mid size between the 10 and 11 and was also in 9 para. They've had several different manufacturers; Cobray, MAC, RPB, SWD, to name a few.
I think they were ok guns for what they were but pretty much useless other than as a bullet hose. The sionics suppressors (wipe type) that were used were ok back then but newer technology ones (wipeless) exists now.
IIRC, SIONICS was an acronym for Studies In Operational Negation of Insurgency and Counter Subversion.
You don't want one. Their jam-o-matics .

it's "they're". "their" is possessive.

and that's not my experience. perhaps you're thinking of the M11? My MAC-10 which (which I just sold last week for $6k, with original WOOD stock and a huge AWC suppressor) was probably the most reliable gun I've had. It literally never missed a beat.

however... that's of limited value when you need to be no further than 3' away from your target to have a chance of hitting it

still, they are fun.
They made a new upper to slow the the ROF for increased control. There are also alot of after market part from this producer to make it into a more user friendly package. If you go the full auto route you might want to check it out. It really migitiate alot of the gun's problems.

My dad had one of the closed-bolt M-11/9's made by Cobray (semi-auto). I enjoyed shooting it. Ran about 3 mags thru it and it never jammed. Only complaint I had was that it was akward to hold (no shoulder stock or forward cloth loop-grip like many of them came with).
taliv I was talking about the semi auto ones. I have no experience with the FA. Both the m10 and m11 I fired sucked so bad you couldn't pay me to own one. They are heavy ,have ugly welds all over it, and the sights were horrible. You would be better off an intratec tec-9 at least it's lighter. IMOSHO
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I saw an advertisement recently for semi-auto Mac-10 and Mac-9 hovering around 3 bills.

Would either of them be a good addition to a gun collection at that price?
The only MAC-10 I ever fired was for a court case, since it had been illegally converted to full auto and the District Attorney wanted proof that it would fire full auto. It ruined 50 rounds of .45 brass, since the chamber was so over sized, and it was almost impossible to hit a 3 pound coffee can at 10' with it. It had no stock or other forward grips, since it was just the basic gun.

The experience was enough to convince me that I never wanted one.

Hope this helps.

To bad you had a "bad" experience. With a stock on them, a good two handed grip, and the proper technique, that can would have been run all over the yard and shredded.

I never saw much point to them in semi, or at least, semi without a stock. They need a stock. Due to their grip location, compared to guns like the AK and AR, with rear mounted grips, they dont work as well using a sling for the stock.
i can't say i have heard mixed reviews on MPA....solid guns for the 3-400 range...during the the obama rush they were in short supply, but they did not jack up their prices...i have a 930 that is a couple years is a hoot to shoot...every one should have at least one 'mac' in their colection...gpr
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