Mace Pepper Gun

[BruiseLee]

What do you guys think of this? It has a range of 25ft, which is better than my Fox Labs OC and Taser C2. It's also a hell of a lot cheaper than my Taser, and gets more than one shot. I think it gets about 7 1 second bursts.

http://www.mace.com/personal_defense/pepper-sprays-and-gels/pepper-gun.html

Seems kinda big, though. Also, not sure how useful the led on this thing is. Might be something good to keep in the car. And before you tell me to carry a .45, procure me a CCW in California. And no, I'm not moving to another state - why should we just hand over our most populous state to the gun-grabbers?

 

[451 Detonics]

I am not real fond of any pepper spray whose design makes it look like a firearm. Problem is it can elicit are response that is far more drastic than a canister would.

 

[BruiseLee]

Good point. Perhaps now would be a good time to mention it is also available in pink.

 

[mgregg85]

I've handled one, it was kinda bulky. The range sounds pretty good though and from the video it looks like wind wouldn't blow it back in your face too easily.

Another option would be Kimber's new pepper blaster, looks like it would be a lot easier to aim than the old model..

The downside is you only get two shots, but on the plus side you don't have to worry about losing pressure over time or due to extreme cold.

 

[JoeMal]

I've got some nice pink spray that my wife carries in her purse or with her when she's walking the dog since she can't pack here in unfriendly IL. I've looked at these gun-type sprays but haven't bought into the marketing schema to pay $50+ for them

 

[glistam]

I own one of these and have tested it using the inert cartridges. It fires a stream rather than a cone, and the fluid comes out with quite a bit of force. The range is quite good for pepper spray. Realistically you're more likely to get about 3-4 shots at 2 seconds each, and the range drops very quickly.

I am not real fond of any pepper spray whose design makes it look like a firearm. Problem is it can elicit are response that is far more drastic than a canister would.

This sounds like a throwback to the old warning about kids having gun-shaped toys. This always annoyed me because last time I checked, police don't just see kids playing and think "Oh, that thing sorta looks like a gun. Even though it's not even pointed at me and doesn't look like any model in existence, I think I'll just empty the magazine of my sidearm into that 4 year old just to be safe." You only get shot if you point it at the cop and/or don't put it down when tells you too.

When you are justifiably aiming a weapon at someone, this is irrelevant.

The pistol-shape I find to be an advantage when confronting someone, especially in low light when you activate the flashlight. It's not a blinding light, but it's enough to illuminate someone clearly at night at close range, and more than conceals what you are holding in your hand, adding a level of intimidation. In theory, the shape also would lend itself to a faster draw from a holster or concealed location, and you instantly know which way its pointed.

That said, the shape does add a lot of bulk to the weapon overall compared to a cylindrical can. I find it too large to carry on my person, though I do carry a lot of gear so I have to keep some things to a minimum. I keep it in a hidden holster next to my bed. I would probably reconsider if I found a really good holster.

 

[InkEd]

Why not keep a REAL gun next to your bed? Less lethal weapons have a purpose. Stopping an intruder that is inside your home is not one of them. Lethal force is completely justified in such situation AND there is no state that doesn't allow you to keep somekind of firearm inside your home.

 

[451 Detonics]

This sounds like a throwback to the old warning about kids having gun-shaped toys.

Has nothing to do with the police, it has to do with escalating the level of violence from non-lethal to lethal. A drunk who is in the mood to fight may see that in your hand and decide you don't want a friendly fist fight, you want a gun fight and pull out his handgun...not good. You point that at someone in the dark and they are not going to think "wow...he has pepper spray" the immediate thought will be "he has pulled a gun I better pull mine".

Please tell me what the advantage is a gun shaped pepper spray over a canister? I can hit precisely with the canister so accuracy isn't it. Intimidation? You pull something gun shaped and point it at me you will be looking back at a gun very quickly. Capacity? Canisters can be had in many sizes, some with much more capcity than that one.

I'll pass...

 

[cleardiddion]

I've handled both.
The first my property manager keeps in her drawer (we're pretty friendly) and the Kimber I bought for my girl (I have the original I bought her a year back).

The mace gun isn't as bulky as one would think, it's about the size of a small auto, think a shade smaller than a ppk. The Kimber is very compact, about the size of a KT P32 or similar.

As for the handling, I like the Kimber a lot more. It points very naturally and the sights really do help a lot when aiming, especially when you compare it to the older model.
There is a noticable weight difference, the mace definitely has more heft to it but both seem very easy to carry.

Ammowise, I like the idea of a gel much more than the liquid form. I got the Kimber for my girlfriend originally because she didn't want to use a firearm and had the possibility of using it both indoors and out. The versatility is a bit greater in the gel and (imo) there is a smaller chance of contamination.
The duration of the shot is longer for the mace, so you could use it in the old fashioned way and just supersoaker everything. The Kimber has two shots, more or less like a projectile (as explained to me). The older model was more or less hit or miss but the new model has much more confidence in my book thanks to the design.

I personally like the Kimber design better and my girl has taken to carrying it everywhere nowadays.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Yo Mama]

This sounds like a throwback to the old warning about kids having gun-shaped toys. This always annoyed me because last time I checked, police don't just see kids playing and think "Oh, that thing sorta looks like a gun.

Sorry, but I'll try to be polite. Children have been killed in police shootouts with toy guns:

June 24, 2007-12 year old shot by police with a toy gun, his name was DeAunta Farrow

Here's another 12 year old in DC 2009: http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0509/624002.html

On February 12, 2007, in San Diego, California, Noe Rojas, a 17-year-old teenager, was shot and killed, by an 11 year veteran police officer, for having a toy gun, which resembled a .38 caliber revolver, during a traffic stop.

On November 26, 2006, in St. Louis, Missouri, police shot and wounded a 13-year-old boy in the hip, leg, and arm because officers said that the boy reached into his waist band, and pointed a toy revolver, which looked authentic, at them.

On August 23, 1998, Michael Jones, a 16-year old boy, was shot 17 times and critically wounded by two police officers in Brooklyn, New York while riding a bicycle because he had a water gun that looked like a 9mm MP5 submachine gun.


These are just a few, there are many many more, use google next time

 

[glistam]

My apologies, I did not phrase my previous comment correctly. I was expressing annoyance at people who exaggerate the danger of objects being mistaken for a firearm. When I was a kid I was lectured to not carry a toy in my pocket that, when it's outline was visible through cloth, looked like a gun, under the warning that I would be shot on sight by the police. It was framed as though police automatically open fire without any warning the moment they see the outline of something that could be a gun, even if not held in the hand. Yes of course I know kids have been shot for having gun-shaped toys, though I would argue they either pointed them at police/bystanders or refused to put them down when ordered. Kids don't know any better and obviously should not be running around with realistic-looking toys, but an adult with a peppergun certainly should have some sense on how to react to the police.

I was going to let the escalation issue drop because I don't like to argue, but I do not buy it. When a person is attacking you unjustly or attempting to rob you and they have a handgun, why would they not have it out already? While possible, it seems statistically unlikely that you would be in a position to threaten someone with OC who has a handgun, has not drawn it yet, and thinks it a good idea to try to draw it anyway when you have a presumed "gun" aimed at their head already.

 

[Yo Mama]

glistam, no problem. I understand your thoughts on the issue.

 

[TYFOOON]

I just ordered a couple of these for my wife. Looks good.

http://www.amazon.com/WildFire-Large-1-5oz-Pepper-Spray/dp/B003W5YGHI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1303348031&sr=8-4