Machine guns at the range! (w/ pics - BAR, PPS43)

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So I went out shooting again last night with a machine-gun-owning friend. First I did the routine stuff...some practice with the CZ452, and sighting in the M1. Then came the cool part. Someone a few lanes down opened up with a full-auto something-or-other - BRAAAAAAAAP!

What's the proper response to that? Why, to whip out your own machine gun, of course! We had decided to bring a BAR (built on a 1929 Swedish receiver) and a 1945-manufacture PPS-43 this time. So I dove for the gun cases and dug out the PPS-43. Slap in a magazine of 7.62x25 Tok, pull the bolt back, and BRRRRP!

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I was rather pleasantly surprised by how comfortable the 43 was to shoot. It has a folding stock much like the underfolding AK style, and I wasn't expecting much from it. Well, it's a bit narrower than an AK underfolder, and along with the light recoil from the Tokarev cartridge, it was actually pretty easy to shoot. Didn't hurt my cheek at all, like some folding stocks do. The sights were also pretty crude, but surprisingly effective. The gun rattled around, but didn't really try to climb on me.

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At the next cease-fire, I walked down to where the other machine gun had been firing, and introduced myself to the two gentlemen there. It turned out they had brought an HK53 with da switch. I offered to trade magazines, and they happily accepted. I sadly didn't get a photo of it, but I was also surprisingly pleased shooting it. I really don't like the HK91, but the 53 made a really good impression on me. Recoil was much lighter than I expected, and it was nearly as controllable as the PPS43.

Oh, and they had also brought a suppressed G36 clone (built up form an SL8). Being typical gunnies, they forced my friend and I to put some round through that puppy as well.

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The integrated optic on that rifle was pretty cool. It had a heavy "donut" for fast-n-close shooting (like the AUG), but also had a fine crosshair inside it, as well as a rangefinding element based (I think) on the size of a torso. The suppressor blew a little gas back in my face, but the coolness of shooting a .223 that went "phhhtt" more than made up for that. :)

So the next dilemma is, how do you say thank-you to someone who lets you shoot two rifle as cool as those? Well, one way is to bust out a 1929 BAR and force them to shoot it (and shoot it yourself too)!

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Of everything I shot last night, I had the highest expectations for the BAR, and it was the biggest (ok, the only) letdown. I was hoping that the comparatively slow rate of fire and significant weight of the weapon would let me keep rounds on paper at 100 yards. No so much, though I'm sure lots of practice would help. It was undoubtedly fun to shoot, but between my shooting ability and the small 20-round mags (RATATATA...TATATATA...RATAclick) it wasn't as interesting as some other things I shot. No doubt the BAR is a sweet piece of machinery and a revolutionary design for its time, but it is definitely outdated now.
 

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No doubt the BAR is a sweet piece of machinery and a revolutionary design for its time, but it is definitely outdated now.

I dunno... I have a 1954 Royal Typewriter BAR and I can keep it on the paper quite well. It does take a lot of practice though, and a different technique. I notice you used the bipod, that's probably a big part of the problem.

That thing is all but useless. As you may have noticed when you use the bipod on a hard surface the thing bounces up and down, flexing the barrel, making the sights dance, and making it all but impossible to get any acceptable groups.

Yank the bipod off and get prone with some sandbags, you'll be surprised how accurate the BAR can be. It wasn't really designed to be fired from a chair on a bench :)

Also some trigger time will let you get to where you can "feather" the trigger on slow rate and get where you can consistently tap out 3 round bursts. Again, much more effective and accurate. I've seen long time BAR shooters get so good they can feather out one shot at a time, though I can't do that very well. I nearly always get at least 2.
 
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Too cool! The BAR is not unlike the M-14 with a selector. If you don't go with 3-5 round bursts you will be shooting at the sky.
 
No doubt the BAR is a sweet piece of machinery and a revolutionary design for its time, but it is definitely outdated now.

A revolutionary design for its time thats now outdated? Not a bit - the MAG-58/M240 is a direct descendant of the 1918 BAR with a flipped-over action, an added beltfeed mechanism and a quick change barrel.
 
What is this prone position you meantion?

By the word bipod, do you mean the shot dispersion device attached near the muzzle?

'....but I can still exicute marching fire."

BARs is fun. You can also shoot them from the shoulder.

This is from a decade and a half ago and the gun belongs to a buddy. I weigh less now, though some of the weight loss is in the form of hair.

"Don't be alarmed. I am not really this fat."

-Bob Hollingsworth
 

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wait wait wait...kbob...how is it possible you are shooting a bar from the hip with no pistol grip? i thought that was impossible...


dont mind the sarcasm, very nice pics guys. im jealous.
 
wait wait wait...kbob...how is it possible you are shooting a bar from the hip with no pistol grip? i thought that was impossible...

I have a 1918 BAR magazine belt with the metal cup for shooting that way.

I only did it once.... hurt like hell :evil:

You are braver than me!

By the word bipod, do you mean the shot dispersion device attached near the muzzle?

Exactly. I put it on for photo opportunities only. Otherwise it's in a box somewhere.
 
The stock of the PPS and AKS is a direct descendant of... guess what? the MP40's stock.
The Russians have been using that sucker since they first saw it in WWII.
It is a neat little piece of history.
 
My biggest two NFA regrets were selling a NESA BAR and an original 21AC Thompson...

I love BAR's, they are among my favorite m.g's to shoot.
-J.Burnett
 
Well, I guess I'll have to give the BAR another chance. The friend who owns it has a Swedish pistol grip assembly for it, which would probably also be good to try.

The facial hair is is to stop my clientele at the bar from asking annoying questions like, "are you even old enough to drink?" :uhoh:
 
TexasRifleman,

I also shot that one from the shoulder in aimed low rate sigles and doubles. Worked great.

It helps to have been a Weapons Squad M-60 gunner as a Light weapons Infantryman for a bit and I am a bit over 6 feet tall and at that time well over 300 pounds.

Don't laugh but the week before some friends and I were teaching a weapons familurization class to some FLorida National Guard SF troops at Camp Blanding and this gun was non functional. I took a look at it and it was simply filthy and corrodied and so the following weekend helped get it cleaned up and as you can see shooting again.

The under arm position was a standard position for the M-60 GPMG and used in the assualt and in breaking near ambush. Unsupported stand was with fast trigger manipulation and single and double shots was just something I did because people said I couldn't. At a "John Wayne" range at Ft. Bragg once I fired from the shoulder and dropped five for five pulls of the trigger and only a total of seven rounds at 100 meters just to prove it could be done. I think the BAR is easier for those tricks as it is 5 pounds lighter and I believe the total energy of the parts moving forward before the shots is less than in the M-60.

I am also one of those folks that thought the M-14E2 was quite controllable and well suited to the fireteam auto rifle mode. Sometimes being big enough that folks that don't know you call you Mongo....from a distance.... is a good thing.

-Bob Hollingsworth
 
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