Mall Rampage Victim Drew Gun Before Being Shot

[kage genin]

I was thinking that perhaps McKown didn't get a shot off because of bystanders in the way or behind Maldonado. Just speculation, wasn't there, didn't see it happen.

Maldonado deserves the death penalty for what he did... or at the very least life in a Federal slam-me-in-the-a?? prison, but he'll more likely get off easy on an insanity plea.

 

[Johnny_Yuma]

Tuco

"If you have to shoot...don't talk. Shoot!" (And never take your eyes...or your gun...off the subject until he's been rendered unable to kill, however that conclusion is reached.)

Of course, "Maintain it...Practice with it...Function-test it" still applies.

"When you have to shoot, shoot! Don't TALK!" - Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, played by Eli Wallach in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Sage advice, always. My agency now teaches that if an agent is in a situation wherein he would be justified in using deadly force he does not have to annouce his identity or give commands. In other words, if the bad guy is about to put a few rounds in you, you don't have to go through the entire "Police! Don't Move!" bit. Most people are so "trained" by movies and TV that this idea gives them the willies. Horsefeathers! For those of this opinion I note that our warriors in the armed forces rarely give such silly warnings before firing. Try giving a verbal warning before you launch a TOW from 3,000 yards.

Regretably, the defender's sense of honor got in the way of sound tactics in this instance. Let's hope the doctors are all wrong on their prognosis of paralysis.

Shooters need to lose their compunction about shooting without warning, back-shooting, etc. when the situation warrants it. I see this same behavior all the time in force-on-force training with law enforcement professionals. When you have to shoot, SHOOT!

Johnny

 

[1911 guy]

Good intentions

Things may not have turned out well for Mr. McKown, but I have to hand it to him for being willing to stick it out and try. As a previous poster said, too many now would walk away and do nothing to help others. This man tried to help.

 

[Manedwolf]

Can someone explain to me what a "semi-automatic machine pistol" is? Would the media have tried to make a brick sound this evil if thats what was used?

To the scaremonger media with inaccuracies okay? Probably just an old TEC-9 or something. Which isn't even a machine pistol, just a crappily made 9mm that looks sortakinda like a machine pistol. (barrel shroud and all) I just say that because the S. Florida media ALWAYS used to call those "machine pistols".

 

[1911Tuner]

Johnny Yuma

Was a rebel...he roamed ...through the west.

That's the movie! Thanks Johnny.

Greensboro...Hmmm. That would put you about 35 miles north of me.
If you're ever in the area, stop by and set a spell.
About 3 miles from the I-85/Old US-64 exit.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I notice that the article explaining why Mr. McKown didn't shoot mentions that there was another CHL holder at the mall who drew but did not fire on the attacker.

 

[1911Tuner]

No Shoot

I notice that the article explaining why Mr. McKown didn't shoot mentions that there was another CHL holder at the mall who drew but did not fire on the attacker.

"On the plains of hesitation, lie the blackened bones of millions..."

It would seem that another movie quote would apply: (I've got this one Johnny)

"It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts. It's being willing.
"Most men, regardless of need or purpose, aren't willing. They'll draw a breath or blink an eye before they pull the trigger. I won't."

J.B. Books as portrayed by John Wayne "The Shootist"

 

[ingram]

Man, this really opens your eyes as to the importance of decisive action. You have to be quick and sure, or else you may end up in a coma . I will be donating to his health the next time I am in a Bank of America.

 

[1911Tuner]

Deciveness

Man, this really opens your eyes as to the importance of decisive action. You have to be quick and sure, or else you may end up in a coma . I will be donating to his health the next time I am in a Bank of America.

Yep. Once you've entered the kill zone, you're committed. Either shoot, or likely get shot. Known as "The Line of Departure" which, after you cross it, you're in it, and there's no turning back. If a man isn't sure of his resolve, it's best to stay out of it.

 

[jsalcedo]

I submit that CCW holders have been conditioned to hesitate, think and weigh the situation due to a fear of prosecution.

Taking all of these worries into consideration eliminates any advantage the CCW holder might have.

 

[1911Tuner]

Conditioned Hesitation

I submit that CCW holders have been conditioned to hesitate, think and weigh the situation due to a fear of prosecution.

Taking all of these worries into consideration eliminates any advantage the CCW holder might have.

Very good point and one well worth considering when the decision is made to go armed. It would pay us all to give serious ongoing thought to what we can and can't do well before we're thrust into a situation, because once we're in it, there usually isn't a lot of time to decide what to do. 5 seconds worth of contemplation can be 4 seconds too much.

We condition ourselves by visualizing well in advance, and act on a predetermined signal. If we see a gun turning toward the crowd, we fire. If we see the perpetrator within seconds of slitting a child's throat, we fire...etc. The absence of "The Signal" causes us to hold our fire, though we probably need to stay at the ready in case the signal suddenly manifests.

The time to think about it is now...not when it's in front of us.