Man In Dearborn, MI arrested for carrying a loaded AK-47 in a park

[Titan6]

''Mimes wear white face
just one more reason your comment is irrelevant''

So what? I am still suspicious of them... They are in disguise, they refuse to talk or discuss what they are doing in the park, they use secret hand signals that only other mimes understand... they hang out there in the park just waiting. Clearly they have a hidden agenda... clearly a cause for suspicion... we have ways of making you talk....



Of course their were terrorists during the War for Independence on both sides. Although not in examples noted in this thread.

 

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

What earthly difference does it make whether it was an "assault" rifle or not in the context of someone playing ninja jihadist in a public park?

Oh, I get it. You're one of those "I get confused and scared when the discussion strays into multiple facets of the issue at hand, and need to insist that others don't do that" people.

 

[Andre Ben Talib]

So, anyone care to speculate on what this fellow might be charged with? Disturbing the peace? Improper transportation of a loaded firearm (if it was, by his state laws)? Posesion of an unregistered machine gun (if it was)?

It doesn't sound like there's enough to get him for anything like attempted murder, since we don't know if he had an intended target or if he was just pretending to be a tough guy.

As far as his website goes, is there any law against voicing support for a violent Lebanese political party?

 

[deadin]

Oh, I get it. You're one of those "I get confused and scared when the discussion strays into multiple facets of the issue at hand, and need to insist that others don't do that" people

No, I just get sick and tired of "thread drift" where posters try to swing the thread to something other than what was originally being discussed.
If you want to present a different point, start another thread. (Then I can ignore it if it doesn't interest me.)

 

[joab]

I just get sick and tired of "thread drift" where posters try to swing the thread to something other than what was originally being discussed.
If you want to present a different point, start another thread

Since it was my comment he commented on I can add my comment on this comment

It is not thread drift when a different facet of the same issue is being discussed simply because you are not interested in that facet
I usually only respond to comments that pertain to the facet of discussion I am interested in
It's a lot easier than reading through multiple threads on the same discussion

I also don't consider it ignorant or disingenuous for the cop to have confirmed the reporters question of it being an AK assault weapon
He may have not felt it worthy of correction or he may just be using popular terms for the rifle

How many here that use Dremel Tools are aware that there is no such thing as a Dremel Tool
How many of your grandmothers still call a refrigerator a frigidare even if it's not

 

[deadin]

I also don't consider it ignorant or disingenuous for the cop to have confirmed the reporters question of it being an AK assault weapon
He may have not felt it worthy of correction or he may just be using popular terms for the rifle

My point exactly! So why bring it up in the first place? It seemed to me to be just another attempt to start the beat to death "Dumb cop/reporter can't even tell the difference between an AK-47 and a SKS" soon to be followed by the "clip/magazine" bit, leading to the conclusion that nothing they may say is credible because they obviously don't know what they are talking about.

Speaking of "thread drift".. I just realized that I am as guilty of it as the guy I was ranting at. Sorry for the hi-jack.

One comment on the OP.... The cops may have done him a favor by arresting him and getting him out of the park before he met up with one of our rabid CCW'ers. They may have just taken him out as a perceived threat to their safety. I know I would be just a little concerned if some dip-wit dressed up like a ninja jumped out of the bushes with any kind of a weapon, assault or otherwise.

 

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

No, I just get sick and tired of "thread drift" where posters try to swing the thread to something other than what was originally being discussed.

Then next time try reading for comprehension. There was no attempt to swing the thread away from anything. I responded directly to what was being said by the two previous posters...which was but one facet of the story being discussed. You then proceeded to get your panties in a bunch because it was something you didn't care about, and then took your overactive imagination for a spin to compensate for the fact that you couldn't understand my obvious point.

If you want to present a different point...

I didn't present a "different point" (different from what?) I commented on something already being discussed. Get over it.

start another thread. (Then I can ignore it if it doesn't interest me.)

You could have ignored it as it was presented. You simply chose not to.

My point exactly!

Bull. You had no point at all, other than to whine about an observation that fell outside the boundaries of what you, personally, were interested in. You then felt compelled to play thread cop over it.

So why bring it up in the first place? It seemed to me to be just another attempt to start the beat to death "Dumb cop/reporter can't even tell the difference between an AK-47 and a SKS"

Wrong again. The point was the continued inaccurate reporting of the easy availability of "assault rifles" to the public. It was even more pernicious because, while we've come to expect that sort of nonsense from the press, this time it was echoed (even if unintentionally) by a LEO.

soon to be followed by the "clip/magazine" bit, leading to the conclusion that nothing they may say is credible because they obviously don't know what they are talking about.

Forgetting for the moment the ridiculousness of such a conclusion (which seems to be a pattern with you...at least in this thread), if that was what you thought then your "They should let him go because they didn't identify the weapon correctly?" speculation was even more asinine than it first appeared to be.

Speaking of "thread drift".. I just realized that I am as guilty of it as the guy I was ranting at.

Not "as" guilty..."far more" guilty. I was commenting on something already being discussed. You took it off into your "I decide what gets to be discussed here" fantasy land.

 

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

I also don't consider it ignorant or disingenuous for the cop to have confirmed the reporters question of it being an AK assault weapon
He may have not felt it worthy of correction or he may just be using popular terms for the rifle

I never accused the LEO of being either "ignorant" or "disingenuous". Only of being incorrect. I did not offer any speculation regarding the reason for the inaccuracy.

How many here that use Dremel Tools are aware that there is no such thing as a Dremel Tool

When groups of political activists start trying to ban all rotary tools because of the dangers to society posed specifically by Dremel brand tools...then your analogy will be apt. At the moment, however, I'm sure a moment's reflection will allow you realize why it is not.

 

[deadin]

Well, I guess I've been shouted down. I've been looking for a reason to bail out of this forum so I guess this will have to do.......
See ya around...............

 

[joab]

I did not offer any speculation regarding the reason for the inaccuracy.

Maybe not but I did, don't pull a deadin

When groups of political activists start trying to ban all rotary tools because of the dangers to society posed specifically by Dremel brand tools...then your analogy will be apt. At the moment, however, I'm sure a moment's reflection will allow you realize why it is not.

Popular culture has decided that the new definition of assault weapon now includes AW lookalikes, that is evident even on theses forums
My moments reflection tells me that it's just semantics, because the average person doesn't really give a damn what we know to be the true definition they see guns made to be offensive weapons
Call them neutered AWs or civilian versions of AWs if you want it will not change their perception of the weapon
You can call them Weapons of Enlightenment if you want they still see a scary gun.
When they start calling them machine guns then I will object
Until then splitting that particular frog hair just comes off as pretentious and excusatory (see I can make up words also and everyone knows exactly what I mean)

And no one shouted you down Deadin
Your point was countered in a like manner to how you presented it, nothing more

 

[Sharps-shooter]

So, anybody want to talk about the guy in the park with the rifle? I read today that:

Officers then took Zorkot into custody and charged him with one count of carrying a dangerous weapon with unlawful intent, one count of possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle and one count of felony firearm. If convicted on all three counts, Zorkot faces 9 years in jail.

What do you think? a slap on the wrist for a terrorist? or nine years in jail and a ruined life for a bad case of mall-ninjery?

 

[Geno]

I believe that we are premature to draw conclusions. We are a people injured, having 911 fresh in memory. We will tend to look with tainted lenses at nearly all situations, and perhaps especially involving Arabic peoples.

We are assured a trail by our peers, and the man should not be tried in public, including not in newsprint, and especially not on THR. Discussion here should lack emotion, and should drip from an over-abundance of "fact".

Doc2005

 

[joab]

What do you think? a slap on the wrist for a terrorist? or nine years in jail and a ruined life for a bad case of mall-ninjery?

On the surface the charges seem appropriate on the state level
If there is some real connection to terrorism the feds will chime in

Mall Ninjery would have to imply some misguided notion of doing right

 

[XavierBreath]

Let's cut out the bickering, OK? Whether the rifle was a select-fire or a semi-auto is pretty irrelevant in the big scheme of things. Those unfamiliar with firearms often make errors in nomenclature, just as those unfamiliar with medicine often make communication errors that amuse doctors and nurses.

Whether Zorkot's face was painted black or white, and what color mimes paint their faces seems irrelevant at this time too.

The man was apprehended in a public park with a loaded rifle, and he was behaving in a manner that caused trepidation and suspicion. That is rather unusal behavior for physicians and medical students.

On this section of Zorkot's website you will find this piece of artwork entitled "The Start of My Personal Jihad (in the US)
الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَهَاجَرُواْ وَجَاهَدُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ أَعْظَمُ دَرَجَةً عِندَ اللّهِ وَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْفَائِزُونَ " (If any of our Arabic reading members could interpret the Arabic writing I'm curious.)

I personally believe there is more to this story than a predilection towards mall ninjery. Time will tell. In the meantime, speculation should be kept under control, lest there be a shortage of crow sandwiches in the future.

 

[yeled]

Using google's translation tool I got

"Believers who emigrated, and strive in the cause of Allah with their wealth and the greatest degree of themselves when God and those are winners"

He seems like a nutjob to me.

Not based upon that but the whole thing in general.

 

[Joe Demko]

Perhaps he was just taking a walk with his rifle to educate the public.

 

[wdlsguy]

"Believers who emigrated, and strive in the cause of Allah with their wealth and the greatest degree of themselves when God and those are winners"

Sounds a lot like Quran 9:20 (or another similar verse):

"Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."

 

[jaholder1971]

Methinks this guy's one of those "Shark Bumps" that Glenn Beck's been talking about all week.

Then there a few of you on here, from what I've read, probably think Patrick Purdey was a lawfully carrying his AK47 before the government framed him for that mass shooting.

 

[Thin Black Line]

How about self-defense against dogs?

A 13-year-old boy was the latest victim of an attack by dogs across Metro Detroit this week.

Michael Branch was attacked by a pit bull Friday afternoon as he walked near his home on Cherrylawn near Elmhurst on Detroit's west side, his grandfather said.

He survived, but three people died in dog attacks -- two near Fowlerville in Livingston County and one in Warren.
....
A retired Farmington school bus driver, Cheryl Harper, 56, and Edward Gierlach, 91, died after they were attacked by a pack of American bulldogs and American bulldog mixes.

 

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

Let's cut out the bickering, OK?

No need. Mr. Sensitve was looking for an excuse to leave, and has taken the one he manufactured for himself.

Whether the rifle was a select-fire or a semi-auto is pretty irrelevant in the big scheme of things. Those unfamiliar with firearms often make errors in nomenclature, just as those unfamiliar with medicine often make communication errors that amuse doctors and nurses.

The point continues to be missed. But, no matter.

Whether Zorkot's face was painted black or white, and what color mimes paint their faces seems irrelevant at this time too.

Yeah, but bashing mimes is always good, clean fun.

 

[Art Eatman]

Shutting down pointless speculation is good clean fun and is its own reward, as well.

, Art