Man Picks The Wrong Time for Shooting, Beaufort SC

[Bruce333]

http://www.wral.com/news/strange/story/1608300/

Man Picks The Wrong Time for Shooting

BEAUFORT, S.C. — A 19-year-old man picked the wrong time to shoot at two brothers, opening fire just as they got ready to do some target practice, police said. Antoine Robinson was shot once in the arm during the shootout around 4:15 p.m. Monday, Beaufort County deputies said.

Robinson pulled up to the Beaufort home, got out of his car and started firing at brothers Rodmond Singleton, 24, and Titus Singleton, 18, authorities said.

The brothers said they were getting ready to shoot target practice and grabbed their guns and fired back, hitting Robinson once, deputies said.

Robinson was taken to the hospital and released to jail later that night. He has been charged with two counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, authorities said.

The brothers were not hit, deputies said.

Deputies continue to investigate the shooting, in part trying to determine if the brothers were licensed to fire the guns, sheriff's spokeswoman Robin McIntosh said.

What?! Licensed to fire?? Never heard that one before. Somebody doesn't know what they are talking about.

Wonder why the guy started shooting at them in the first place?

 

[fletcher]

Yeah, pretty sure the license to fire is BS. Although, this kind of thing doesn't surprise me happening in that area.

 

[f3rr37]

sounds like a clean shoot to me.

 

[Zoogster]

Perhaps they are refering to whether they had a concealed carry type permit, implying that without one self defense with a firearm outside is illegal.

It just goes to that with every licensed deal comes the assumption that without that license the activity is illegal under all circumstances.

The whole "we were just about to go target shooting" as an excuse for having guns on them at the time of the shooting is probably the reason why it is brought up. Most likely they were not really about to go target shooting, but had guns on them at the time, and had someone angry with them come over and open fire on them. They responded with fire and thier lawyer gave them something to say in regards to why they had firearms at the time they were shot at.

Giving an example. Imagine you have been having trouble with some guy. The guy has threated you or someone in your family and it is assumed he is dangerous. You start carrying a firearm around your place with you just in case. The guy shows up armed and you defend yourself. Lawyer informs you that perhaps since some of the shooting took place on the sidewalk or street outside, it was not on your property and technicaly was breaking the law to have the firearm. An excuse is made up to cover that. Suddenly the new story is while packing guns up to head out to the shooting range, crazy guy came over and started shooting and THAT is why you had guns present, not because you were illegaly carrying them.

Of course that would ring very convenient and suspicious to investigators as well, and they would imply it was suspicious. So a reporter with the mindset that it is not a clear shooting, and perhaps the guys were not justified in having arms present, passes that impression on to the reader. However not being well versed in firearms laws implies it in a way that leaves us questioning the "license to shoot" statement. More than likely they are questioning the convenient presence of arms by both parties when the situation happened. If they are not licensed to carry, they would be looking into that aspect of the case and whether they would be charged for having firearms even if it was a clean shoot.

 

[drinkoj]

Key words for me from this report are "...Robinson pulled up to the Beaufort home...".

Sounds like the brothers were where they were supposed to be, their OWN HOME. Figure if I can carry a loaded gun with one in the chamber in my car's glovebox while driving anywhere in the state, I sure can carry a gun on my person in my own yard without a CWP. Interesting question to ask if I decide to take the CWP course though.

South Carolina:
PROTECTION OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY ACT

The stated intent of the legislation is to codify the common law castle doctrine, which recognizes that a person’s home is his castle, and to extend the doctrine to include an occupied vehicle and the person’s place of business. This bill authorizes the lawful use of deadly force under certain circumstances against an intruder or attacker in a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle. The bill provides that there is no duty to retreat if (1) the person is in a place where he has a right to be, including the person’s place of business, (2) the person is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and (3) the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime. A person who lawfully uses deadly force is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action, unless the person against whom deadly force was used is a law enforcement officer acting in the performance of his official duties and he identifies himself in accordance with applicable law or the person using deadly force knows or reasonably should have known the person is a law enforcement officer.

H.4301 (R412) was signed by the Governor on June 9, 2006.

 

[sacp81170a]

What?! Licensed to fire??

Well, you know, the "licensed to kill" thing has already been done.

 

[lawson4]

One does not need a license to carry open or concealed on one's own property in SC. There is no "license to own" (registration) here, either.

lawson4

 

[Black Adder LXX]

Antoine Robinson was shot once in the arm during the shootout

Too bad this BG didn't try that *after* they were warmed up...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Too bad this BG didn't try that *after* they were warmed up...

This is a good point and critical point in regard to self defense shootings. Many of us can be really good shooters...after we have warmed up, but not nearly as good when we shoot cold. Cold shooting is not a capability by which we usually judge ourselves, but usually is the condition we find ourselves in when entering a fight. The exception, of course, are snipers who do judge their skills, in part, by their first cold shot capabilities.

 

[News Shooter]

Drugs

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Deputies continue to investigate the shooting, in part trying to determine if the brothers were licensed to fire the guns, sheriff's spokeswoman Robin McIntosh said.

I'm willing to bet two Krispy Kremes and a cup of coffee that is
what the reporter heard and not what the spokeswoman said.

 

[jlbraun]

And that is why I keep a fully loaded AK leaned against the car when I'm out target shooting on public land.

 

[ScottsGT]

Being from South Carolina, this sound nuts! We don't need no stinkin' permits to shoot someone in our yard! Former Attorney Gen. Charley Condon done said that!! I'm with Carl N. Brown on this one. But it also would not suprise me if we read next week that it was a drug deal gone bad.

 

[drinkoj]

Being from South Carolina, this sound nuts! We don't need no stinkin' permits to shoot someone in our yard! Former Attorney Gen. Charley Condon done said that!!

Yeap. Attitudes in parts of SC are little different on personal property, guns, and self defense, than in the rest of the country.

I'll one up ya on this, Sheriff Gene Taylor of Anderson, SC, in the first year after or so after defeating the former Sheriff Cooley (that's a sheriff that WAS a convicted criminal while in office btw), was quoted in the USA Today paper saying, that if someone robbed your home, you shot them dead outside, and you were to drag the dead body back into the house; he wasn't going to pursue anything against the homeowner. We had a LOT of problems with crime and the "law" back then. I was just graduating High School when that happened and it was earth-shattering to the locals, but then again I don't remember anyone complaining about it and a LOT of crime issues changed.

That was a long time ago, and the city of Anderson has grown a LOT since then, but Sheriff Taylor is still around and quoted by the USA Today on other matters.

 

[Zundfolge]

Deputies continue to investigate the shooting, in part trying to determine if the brothers were licensed to fire the guns, sheriff's spokeswoman Robin McIntosh said.

I don't see quotes around the licensed to fire comment, so is that the exact words Ms. McIntosh said, or is that some idiot reporter paraphrasing what she said when she actually said they were trying to determine if the brothers were justified in opening fire?

 

[Lennyjoe]

Clean shoot? Hardly.

I say that because 2 guys shot at one dude and only hit him 1 time. If it was a couple of Highroaders the dude would of looked like swiss cheese!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Swiss cheese? What? Are you nuts? It would have been "one ragged hole!"