Man shoots dog with suppressed pistol
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Ryder
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A few dogs in my neighborhood have been olympic barkers. Turns out the owners can't stand them either and they disappear without any assistance from me. Nobody has patience anymore?
Yowza
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Well, I think this guy was an idiot for dealing with this situation the way he did, but that woman gets no excuse from me, either. Why have a dog if you're just going to chain it up in the backyard? What else is the dog supposed to do but bark?
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RocketMan
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I was Best Man at my friend's wedding at The Plantation House in May, 2004. It is one very nice place, and I can understand why the owner would like to keep the environment as pleasant as possible.
That said, what he did to the neighbor's dog is just indefensible. Absolutely wrong on more levels than can be counted.
If the story is true, I hope he gets what he deserves.
That said, what he did to the neighbor's dog is just indefensible. Absolutely wrong on more levels than can be counted.
If the story is true, I hope he gets what he deserves.
Glad someone made that distinction. Many times owners don't, then they start associating human emotions to dog behaviors :banghead: That is not the correct way.
I CANT STAND BARKING YIPPY DOGS. Our new neighbors have two dogs that don't shut up when they are outside. All they do is bark at anything outside their fence. It's unreal. I have a dog and he is well trained. He can hang out outside and can keep himself quiet. If he barks, I check it out, then command him quiet and leave it and move on. The end. He doesn't have neuroses or behavioral prob;ems that he HAS to bark at everything. Dogs that do constantly bark at anything have problems, whether the owner wants to believe it or not.
I love animals. And I have killed my fair share, both hunting and domestic 'maintenance'. I think this guy just got so ticked off that he'd handle it himself once and for all. I can understand his fury. Was it smart? Absolutely not. He let his fury get ahead of him. Now he'll pay the consequences.
Unfortunately negligent pet owners don't ever get the message or learn how to train their dogs. They get lazy and/or are pushovers. They love and show affection and nuture junky behaviors in their dogs rather than doing the correct actions to fix it. Dogs are not humans. Their psych does not have the same processes as humans and should not be treated as such. Until dog owners understand this, they'll never train their dogs correctly and will always have a dog with one issue or another, be it major or minor.
Dog owners are not blameless, in fact their the first one I look at. I am a dog owner. If my dog has issues and problems, it's because I am failing to address them correctly. If my dog is annoying or harassing and even endangering others, it will be my full responsibility to deal with.
stevelyn
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Topgun, SW, shorts,:
Couldn't agree more. There is nothing more irritating than inconsiderate, irreponsible pet owners that allow their animals to run loose, bark incesently and chase cars, bicycles, joggers, etc.
I'm one of those folks who has lived outside the jurisdictions of animal control and I've had to make more than a few dogs disappear from my property. I can't recall ever losing any sleep over it either.
However, what this guy did was at the very least reckless and shooting into a neighbor's property is absolutely indefensable. If the dog was that much of a problem he should have been calling the police and making his neighbor's life miserable through them.
Couldn't agree more. There is nothing more irritating than inconsiderate, irreponsible pet owners that allow their animals to run loose, bark incesently and chase cars, bicycles, joggers, etc.
I'm one of those folks who has lived outside the jurisdictions of animal control and I've had to make more than a few dogs disappear from my property. I can't recall ever losing any sleep over it either.
However, what this guy did was at the very least reckless and shooting into a neighbor's property is absolutely indefensable. If the dog was that much of a problem he should have been calling the police and making his neighbor's life miserable through them.
As a longtime dog owner/trainer/breeder
and one who usually sides heavily with dog owners, much like I do on 2A rights....
First,the dog owner has some responsibilities...First, many dogs and especially certain breeds do not respond well to being chained up...Fencing is OK, but for some reason they don't like to be chained. Many who wouldn't bark (or bark nearly so much) will bark incessantly when chained. She then also leaves the dog unattended while she goes out.
I have 5 GSDs, and they have 1/2 acre fenced yard to run in....Sometimes they bark, at a variety of things...All are trained,so I tell them to be quiet, and that'll usually work...However, if whatever they're barking at remains they will continue to bark (usually wildlife or stray cats)...If they continue to bark I call them inside. And none of my neighbors are really all that close. I also NEVER leave them out when I go anywhere.
That said, obviosly this guy is a a$$...He should have talked to dog owner once or twice, in a decent manner, and if she didn't resolve the problem, then he should call authorities...Most jurisdictions have noise ordinances that cover "excessive barking"...As punishment they should give me him and the .22,leave us alone for an hour or so... Start at the toes and work up...slowly
and one who usually sides heavily with dog owners, much like I do on 2A rights....
First,the dog owner has some responsibilities...First, many dogs and especially certain breeds do not respond well to being chained up...Fencing is OK, but for some reason they don't like to be chained. Many who wouldn't bark (or bark nearly so much) will bark incessantly when chained. She then also leaves the dog unattended while she goes out.
I have 5 GSDs, and they have 1/2 acre fenced yard to run in....Sometimes they bark, at a variety of things...All are trained,so I tell them to be quiet, and that'll usually work...However, if whatever they're barking at remains they will continue to bark (usually wildlife or stray cats)...If they continue to bark I call them inside. And none of my neighbors are really all that close. I also NEVER leave them out when I go anywhere.
That said, obviosly this guy is a a$$...He should have talked to dog owner once or twice, in a decent manner, and if she didn't resolve the problem, then he should call authorities...Most jurisdictions have noise ordinances that cover "excessive barking"...As punishment they should give me him and the .22,leave us alone for an hour or so... Start at the toes and work up...slowly
CentralTexas
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Say what?!?!?!
"Couldn't agree more. There is nothing more irritating than inconsiderate, irreponsible pet owners that allow their animals to run loose, bark incesently and chase cars, bicycles, joggers, etc."
Have you never lived around kids??
CT
"Couldn't agree more. There is nothing more irritating than inconsiderate, irreponsible pet owners that allow their animals to run loose, bark incesently and chase cars, bicycles, joggers, etc."
Have you never lived around kids??
CT
CentralTexas
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Sunday Paper story
PFLUGERVILLE
Dog's killing rattles neighborhood
Residents say they were plagued by vanishing pets before man arrested in shooting of border collie.
Owner says she chained up her border collie, Orion, for safety.
By Joshunda Sanders <mailto:[email protected]>
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, July 31, 2005
PFLUGERVILLE — When the first pit bull went missing in May, Melissa Ortiz started to worry.
Then another neighbor's blue pit bulls disappeared. Later, a poodle and two Chihuahuas were gone. "Missing Dog" signs were posted all over the subdivision, neighbors said.
Ortiz had chained her 4-year-old border collie, Orion, to a post in her backyard. She thought he was safe.
But on July 18, she came home and said she found her neighbor, Norris Cole, 43, standing over Orion in her backyard.
Ortiz knew Cole as the owner of a wedding business behind the subdivision where she lives, the Villages of Hidden Lake. The dog was bloody, but Ortiz, said she had no time to question Cole before he yelled at her to get out.
She ran to call police.
Cole emerged from the backyard and tossed a big black bag into the bed of his pickup, according to a police affidavit.
Travis County sheriff's deputies soon arrived. As Ortiz spoke to them, she saw the bag move.
Orion lifted his head and took his last breath, she said.
"Why'd you bag my dog?" Ortiz said she asked Cole. He told her and the deputies that he'd seen a strange man who had probably killed the dog wandering in the area, according to the affidavit.
According to Ortiz, Cole said he went to her house looking for the man and found the dog dead. He'd put Orion in the bag because he didn't want her to see the dog in that condition.
When deputies searched Cole's truck, they found a .22-caliber pistol with an additional barrel that looked like a silencer, Travis County sheriff's office spokesman Roger Wade said.
Cole was arrested and charged with criminal trespassing and cruelty to animals. He was released on $4,000 bail the next day.
The case is under investigation.
In Texas, heinous cruelty to animals can be tried as a felony. The punishment is two years in jail, a $10,000 fine or both.
Cesario Cadena, an animal control officer with the Pflugerville police said the department had not investigated an unusual number of missing or dead dogs in the area this year.
Wade confirmed that Cole, in a television interview, con- fessed to shooting the dog. He told a reporter that he got tired of the dog's barking, so he went to quiet it down. Cole said that when he went to unchain the dog, Orion got aggressive, and Cole said he shot him.
Cole declined to comment for this article.
His lawyer, Jamie Balagia said, "Mr. Cole was under a tremendous amount of stress at the time and did something that goes against his reputation and his past. We've got him in counseling, and he wants to express his most sincere apologies to the whole community."
Balagia added that Cole's family had been receiving death threats and harassing e-mails since news of the case spread.
Balagia said it would be unethical for him to say whether Cole had confessed to the shooting. "We're not going to contest the case at all," he said.
Cole has lived with his family at the Plantation House, a sprawling six-bedroom, five-bathroom home, since 1993.
The Coles host weddings there, and the couple often knock on their neighbors' doors to ask them to quiet down during receptions and ceremonies, Ortiz and Anthony Mays said.
Mays, 26, who lives next door to Ortiz with his wife, Belinda, said he suspects that Cole took their 6-month-old pit bull, Alpha, in May. They had three barriers to its escape — a back fence, electric fence and kennel — so how could it get loose?
Residents say that Cole is out to protect his monetary interests: He has about three weddings a week, and prices on the house's Web site range from $3,000 to $4,000 per event. His neighbors say Cole may be upset that a subdivision has been built bordering what was once a lovely, quiet 5-acre oasis.
Mays and his wife have kept their new puppy, Deuce, in the house since Orion's shooting.
Toby Schroeder, lives a few doors down and says he, too, is concerned. Schroeder has been taking his Brittany spaniel, Rocky, to his girlfriend's house for days at a time since the incident.
Residents of the subdivision, Schroeder and Ortiz said, have all signed papers requiring them to keep their noise to a minimum because of the weddings.
Schroeder keeps watch over the neighborhood when he's at home, walking his dog at night.
Ortiz and her family often stay in South Austin because she's scared to be in the house. She plans to file a civil case against Cole.
Cole had not confessed to detectives, Wade said, buthe added, "All evidence points to the fact he did it."
PFLUGERVILLE
Dog's killing rattles neighborhood
Residents say they were plagued by vanishing pets before man arrested in shooting of border collie.
Owner says she chained up her border collie, Orion, for safety.
By Joshunda Sanders <mailto:[email protected]>
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, July 31, 2005
PFLUGERVILLE — When the first pit bull went missing in May, Melissa Ortiz started to worry.
Then another neighbor's blue pit bulls disappeared. Later, a poodle and two Chihuahuas were gone. "Missing Dog" signs were posted all over the subdivision, neighbors said.
Ortiz had chained her 4-year-old border collie, Orion, to a post in her backyard. She thought he was safe.
But on July 18, she came home and said she found her neighbor, Norris Cole, 43, standing over Orion in her backyard.
Ortiz knew Cole as the owner of a wedding business behind the subdivision where she lives, the Villages of Hidden Lake. The dog was bloody, but Ortiz, said she had no time to question Cole before he yelled at her to get out.
She ran to call police.
Cole emerged from the backyard and tossed a big black bag into the bed of his pickup, according to a police affidavit.
Travis County sheriff's deputies soon arrived. As Ortiz spoke to them, she saw the bag move.
Orion lifted his head and took his last breath, she said.
"Why'd you bag my dog?" Ortiz said she asked Cole. He told her and the deputies that he'd seen a strange man who had probably killed the dog wandering in the area, according to the affidavit.
According to Ortiz, Cole said he went to her house looking for the man and found the dog dead. He'd put Orion in the bag because he didn't want her to see the dog in that condition.
When deputies searched Cole's truck, they found a .22-caliber pistol with an additional barrel that looked like a silencer, Travis County sheriff's office spokesman Roger Wade said.
Cole was arrested and charged with criminal trespassing and cruelty to animals. He was released on $4,000 bail the next day.
The case is under investigation.
In Texas, heinous cruelty to animals can be tried as a felony. The punishment is two years in jail, a $10,000 fine or both.
Cesario Cadena, an animal control officer with the Pflugerville police said the department had not investigated an unusual number of missing or dead dogs in the area this year.
Wade confirmed that Cole, in a television interview, con- fessed to shooting the dog. He told a reporter that he got tired of the dog's barking, so he went to quiet it down. Cole said that when he went to unchain the dog, Orion got aggressive, and Cole said he shot him.
Cole declined to comment for this article.
His lawyer, Jamie Balagia said, "Mr. Cole was under a tremendous amount of stress at the time and did something that goes against his reputation and his past. We've got him in counseling, and he wants to express his most sincere apologies to the whole community."
Balagia added that Cole's family had been receiving death threats and harassing e-mails since news of the case spread.
Balagia said it would be unethical for him to say whether Cole had confessed to the shooting. "We're not going to contest the case at all," he said.
Cole has lived with his family at the Plantation House, a sprawling six-bedroom, five-bathroom home, since 1993.
The Coles host weddings there, and the couple often knock on their neighbors' doors to ask them to quiet down during receptions and ceremonies, Ortiz and Anthony Mays said.
Mays, 26, who lives next door to Ortiz with his wife, Belinda, said he suspects that Cole took their 6-month-old pit bull, Alpha, in May. They had three barriers to its escape — a back fence, electric fence and kennel — so how could it get loose?
Residents say that Cole is out to protect his monetary interests: He has about three weddings a week, and prices on the house's Web site range from $3,000 to $4,000 per event. His neighbors say Cole may be upset that a subdivision has been built bordering what was once a lovely, quiet 5-acre oasis.
Mays and his wife have kept their new puppy, Deuce, in the house since Orion's shooting.
Toby Schroeder, lives a few doors down and says he, too, is concerned. Schroeder has been taking his Brittany spaniel, Rocky, to his girlfriend's house for days at a time since the incident.
Residents of the subdivision, Schroeder and Ortiz said, have all signed papers requiring them to keep their noise to a minimum because of the weddings.
Schroeder keeps watch over the neighborhood when he's at home, walking his dog at night.
Ortiz and her family often stay in South Austin because she's scared to be in the house. She plans to file a civil case against Cole.
Cole had not confessed to detectives, Wade said, buthe added, "All evidence points to the fact he did it."
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DesertRat
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This Norris Cole person appears to be a VERY dangerous individual, as he obviously planned out (and not very well) this entire scenario:
* Brought trashbags for the disposal.
* Tried to sneak into the yard while the homeowner was gone, which likely means that he was closely observing that neighbors movements / routine.
* Obtained or made a makeshift silencer for his weapon.
* Placed his automobile in a location convienient for the movement and disposal of the dog.
Nice. I think another investigation is warranted too:
What I just love about this whole thing:
YEAH NORRIS COLE IS SORRY ALRIGHT, SORRY HE WAS CAUGHT.
This guy is a real sick ******* and needs to be punished severely. The following would be appropriate:
Two years in prison.
5,000 hours of community service split 50/50 at transient shelter and animal shelter.
A $25,000.00 fine by the court.
Compensatory and punitive damages to the victim(s).
The felony conviction will appropriately take care of his gun ownership rights.
Two years of ongoing psychiatric counseling.
* Brought trashbags for the disposal.
* Tried to sneak into the yard while the homeowner was gone, which likely means that he was closely observing that neighbors movements / routine.
* Obtained or made a makeshift silencer for his weapon.
* Placed his automobile in a location convienient for the movement and disposal of the dog.
Nice. I think another investigation is warranted too:
What I just love about this whole thing:
YEAH NORRIS COLE IS SORRY ALRIGHT, SORRY HE WAS CAUGHT.
This guy is a real sick ******* and needs to be punished severely. The following would be appropriate:
Two years in prison.
5,000 hours of community service split 50/50 at transient shelter and animal shelter.
A $25,000.00 fine by the court.
Compensatory and punitive damages to the victim(s).
The felony conviction will appropriately take care of his gun ownership rights.
Two years of ongoing psychiatric counseling.
Too Many Choices!?
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In 99% of these posts, if you replace dogs with kids...
Then follow the advice the world would be a better place
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PS. And no I don't mean shooting them with suppressed pistols, I mean not letting them entertain themselves while locked up.
Then follow the advice the world would be a better place
...PS. And no I don't mean shooting them with suppressed pistols, I mean not letting them entertain themselves while locked up.
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carebear
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The "silencer issue" is still very much in doubt. There are a lot of perfectly legal things you can hang off a pistol that, by design or by accident, may look like a suppressor at first glance.
Topgun
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Border Collies ?????...... Aaaarrrrghhh !!!
I don't know if a Border Collie CAN be trained. Oh yeah, ta go get sheep like nobody's business and they are a PLEASURE to watch em work.
BUT....domestically....in a NEIGHBORHOOD? My WORST problem with yappin mutts was with BORDER COLLIES. Just plain DUMB! A dog just HAS to have the brains to recognize a ....NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. But....noooooooooooo...not the Border Collie.
Or
Australian Shepherd
Or
The ABSOLUTE most uncivilized dog ever bred: The SHELTIE !!!!
Dogmeat!
I would like to see one that is well behaved when alone...by itself...in its yard...and....QUIET! sheeeeee.............
And their slinky, cowy, slithery gait is CREEPY. No WONDER they yap constantly.
Oughtta be a Border Collie ....SEASON. (And an early one for bowhunters)
I swear, the first ..Border Collie... shootin range will be one of my DAILY visits.
I don't know if a Border Collie CAN be trained. Oh yeah, ta go get sheep like nobody's business and they are a PLEASURE to watch em work.
BUT....domestically....in a NEIGHBORHOOD? My WORST problem with yappin mutts was with BORDER COLLIES. Just plain DUMB! A dog just HAS to have the brains to recognize a ....NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. But....noooooooooooo...not the Border Collie.
Or
Australian Shepherd
Or
The ABSOLUTE most uncivilized dog ever bred: The SHELTIE !!!!
Dogmeat!
I would like to see one that is well behaved when alone...by itself...in its yard...and....QUIET! sheeeeee.............
And their slinky, cowy, slithery gait is CREEPY. No WONDER they yap constantly.
Oughtta be a Border Collie ....SEASON. (And an early one for bowhunters)
I swear, the first ..Border Collie... shootin range will be one of my DAILY visits.
We had a dogkiller in our neighborhood too. Lived two houses down. This guy was just a plain jerk. Went to our church, his wife and and daughter were nice, although couldn't get rid of his 'stink'.
Anyhow, he shot a dog or two of ours plus others in the 'hood, as well as harassed his 4wheelng neighbor (a friend of ours) AND peeped on her...but, he got what was coming to him. His calf and goat died and his dog got run over on the highway. He was pretty distraught over their deaths. But, appropriate. Then he ran into the husband of the lady he peeped at the gas station. He mouthed off, then the two duked it out in the parking lot.
Anyhow, he shot a dog or two of ours plus others in the 'hood, as well as harassed his 4wheelng neighbor (a friend of ours) AND peeped on her...but, he got what was coming to him. His calf and goat died and his dog got run over on the highway. He was pretty distraught over their deaths. But, appropriate. Then he ran into the husband of the lady he peeped at the gas station. He mouthed off, then the two duked it out in the parking lot.
308win
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Did your mother have any children who lived?
Topgun
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Sure she did. Did yours know which one was yer daddy?
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