sambnra
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Does anyone know of the other couple towns in our USA besides Kennesaw Ga. that have a "mandatory gun law"? Just doing some research...Thanks
Mandatory gun laws?
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Atroxus
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Mandatory gun law as in you are required by law to own a gun? I have never heard of that before.
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Virgin, Utah.
Chicago, IL
Chicago, IL
TexasRifleman
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Greenleaf, Idaho has a similar law.
millertyme
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I did a report in college about the Kennesaw, GA, mandatory gun law. I think it included the entire county, but it require every home to have a 12 ga shotgun inside as a means to curb home invasions and burglary. And, as it just so happens, it worked phenomenally.
Atroxus
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Wow, I wonder why that isn't used as an argument against gun control more?
SMMAssociates
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Atroxus:
First of all, it horrifies the criminal and terrorist friendly, and their media allies, so not much has been said positively there.
Second, Kennesaw GA is kinda tiny.
Regards,
First of all, it horrifies the criminal and terrorist friendly, and their media allies, so not much has been said positively there.
Second, Kennesaw GA is kinda tiny.
Regards,
RangerHAAF
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I'll tell you that it works in Kennesaw which is in Cobb County. There's not as much violent crime there because of that law and people who live in Cobb County take a more commonsense approach towards dealing with criminals and the criminals know this. They avoid Cobb and the other northern counties; maybe the odd bank robbery every now and then but you don't see home invasions and daily shootings occurring like in Clayton County where the criminals are coddled and the elected officials are only 1 or 2 steps behind the crooks themselves.
Here in Vermont there was a bill circulating in 2000 that would require citizens to pay a $500 fee for the priviledge of not owning a firearm. This has been posted a few times here already, which suggests that perhaps the proposal has been ressurected recently.
Atroxus
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I get why the anti-gun people would want to avoid it being brought up. I am just curious why more of *us* don't use it more often. I know thats one I will try to remember when someone asks me why I think civilians should be allowed to own guns.
TexasRifleman
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I have to say, as much as I believe people SHOULD have a firearm for protection I'm just as much against mandating them as I am banning them.
It's a right. Being forced to go either way is not a "right" any longer. But, it's interesting to see the results of stuff like this crime rate wise, though hard to read much into it on such a small scale.
It's a right. Being forced to go either way is not a "right" any longer. But, it's interesting to see the results of stuff like this crime rate wise, though hard to read much into it on such a small scale.
CoRoMo
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TexasRifleman, you beat me to it...
How many of you would say that, mandating that a citizen own a gun, is similar to forcing them, by law, to speak their personal opinions or force everyone to participate in a religion of their choice.
Does that sound like freedom?
Take TexasRifleman's sig line for instance. I think everyone should vote, but who would want a law requiring you to go vote or face criminal charges?
How many of you would say that, mandating that a citizen own a gun, is similar to forcing them, by law, to speak their personal opinions or force everyone to participate in a religion of their choice.
Does that sound like freedom?
Take TexasRifleman's sig line for instance. I think everyone should vote, but who would want a law requiring you to go vote or face criminal charges?
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Deus Machina
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I'd be for giving gun owners tax breaks, for not having to call 911 screaming in hysterics. Less work for the coroners, too.
But a law requiring it, I'm against on a national scale. Local, fine, you can move to the next town over if you're that attached to home invasions. Heck, get it at cost or included by a realtor when you buy a home, call it good. But not national.
On the other hand, as far as laws go, those aren't bad ones. Who else's opinions would I speak? I don't speak anything I don't agree with.
And 'aethiest' and 'agnostic'--I'm of the Pastafarian sect, myself. --are religions. I uphold mine by taking painstaking time out of my Sunday mornings to sleep, faithfully eating meat every Friday, and facing headlong the moral trials of pork.
But a law requiring it, I'm against on a national scale. Local, fine, you can move to the next town over if you're that attached to home invasions. Heck, get it at cost or included by a realtor when you buy a home, call it good. But not national.
On the other hand, as far as laws go, those aren't bad ones. Who else's opinions would I speak? I don't speak anything I don't agree with.
And 'aethiest' and 'agnostic'--I'm of the Pastafarian sect, myself.
--are religions. I uphold mine by taking painstaking time out of my Sunday mornings to sleep, faithfully eating meat every Friday, and facing headlong the moral trials of pork.green-grizzly
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Regarding the Virgin Utah ordinance, the Utah Attorney General thought it violated the state's preemption law.
Until 2001 aircraft in Alaska were required to carry a firearm by law.
The primary reason that ended gad to do with the change in firearm rules that year in Canada (and it had nothing to do with 9/11, being many months before.) The agreement between the US and Canada that allowed citizens of the two nations to transport long guns without government red tape ended.
Canada started thier gun registration requirement for long guns on the first of that year, and a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration form became a requirement to take a firearm through the nation along with additional fine print.
HB127 was passed in Alaska that year as a result of problems with Canada. Canada wanted to charge new registration fees and require registration of firearms passing through, even on aircraft just flying through.
The US also became worse for Canadian citizens traveling with firearms. Both nations began to screw over the citizens of thier neighbor concerning firearm freedoms, well before 9/11.
However prior to that every aircraft flying in Alaska was required by law to have a firearm on board. It had been that way for many years.
The primary reason that ended gad to do with the change in firearm rules that year in Canada (and it had nothing to do with 9/11, being many months before.) The agreement between the US and Canada that allowed citizens of the two nations to transport long guns without government red tape ended.
Canada started thier gun registration requirement for long guns on the first of that year, and a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration form became a requirement to take a firearm through the nation along with additional fine print.
HB127 was passed in Alaska that year as a result of problems with Canada. Canada wanted to charge new registration fees and require registration of firearms passing through, even on aircraft just flying through.
The US also became worse for Canadian citizens traveling with firearms. Both nations began to screw over the citizens of thier neighbor concerning firearm freedoms, well before 9/11.
However prior to that every aircraft flying in Alaska was required by law to have a firearm on board. It had been that way for many years.
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chuckusaret
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About 31,000 full time residents
Their last shooting was in 1989 by an idiot and his friend that were vistors to the town. Long story short, while in their hotel room one dared the other to shoot him and the other guy did. The last murder was in 1986, the murder weapon was a knife. The town's population has grown from about 11,000 in 1983 to just over 31,000 today.
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To My Understanding..
The law has never been enforced in Kennesaw, and everything I've read about the city says their police force has not increased in officers since they passed the law, even though the population has increased nearly 3 times what it was back then.
The law has never been enforced in Kennesaw, and everything I've read about the city says their police force has not increased in officers since they passed the law, even though the population has increased nearly 3 times what it was back then.
SMMAssociates
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stickhauler:
The law in Kennesaw was in response to Morton Grove IL's ban on firearms (I expect that Heller may have blown that away). Enforcement wasn't really an issue.
I think that the reason the crime rates have remained low is because of the perception that a lot of people are armed. Perhaps they are? Remember the NRA's "mere presence" comments....
I'm an old rent-a-cop, among other things, and worked with the City PD as a Civil Defense Auxiliary back in the late 60's, during the riots. (Our riots wouldn't qualify as a traffic crash compared to what happened in Cleveland.)
At the time, the assumption that every other house on the average suburban street had a hunting gun, if nothing else, had a lot to do with nothing happening outside of "inner city" areas. (A nearby "big box" store's gun counter cleared out, too!)
(Dad wanted to buy a shotgun, but things calmed down before I could get him one.)
Regards,
The law in Kennesaw was in response to Morton Grove IL's ban on firearms (I expect that Heller may have blown that away). Enforcement wasn't really an issue.
I think that the reason the crime rates have remained low is because of the perception that a lot of people are armed. Perhaps they are? Remember the NRA's "mere presence" comments....
I'm an old rent-a-cop, among other things, and worked with the City PD as a Civil Defense Auxiliary back in the late 60's, during the riots. (Our riots wouldn't qualify as a traffic crash compared to what happened in Cleveland.)
At the time, the assumption that every other house on the average suburban street had a hunting gun, if nothing else, had a lot to do with nothing happening outside of "inner city" areas. (A nearby "big box" store's gun counter cleared out, too!)
(Dad wanted to buy a shotgun, but things calmed down before I could get him one.)
Regards,
Double Naught Spy
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You know, the argument is rather bogus for Kennesaw. The law was a spoof, nothing more. It has not been enforced. The crime rate was very low to start with.
Sort of interesting, Peachtree City, GA has less crime and doesn't have the silly spoof law.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/CIUS_2004_Section2.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec2.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/Cius_97/96CRIME/96crime2.pdf
So you see, if pro-gunners wanted to use the claim that being unconstitutionally being forced to having guns is why Kennesaw has so little crime, anti-gun arguers could claim that not being forced to have guns is why Peachtree, GA has even less crime and has continued to have less crime for many years.
Your information is misleading and wrong.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=107022
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15942567/detail.html
Sort of interesting, Peachtree City, GA has less crime and doesn't have the silly spoof law.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/CIUS_2004_Section2.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec2.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/Cius_97/96CRIME/96crime2.pdf
So you see, if pro-gunners wanted to use the claim that being unconstitutionally being forced to having guns is why Kennesaw has so little crime, anti-gun arguers could claim that not being forced to have guns is why Peachtree, GA has even less crime and has continued to have less crime for many years.
Your information is misleading and wrong.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=107022
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15942567/detail.html
janedoedad
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Why did you pull Peachtree City out of your hat as a comparison to Kennesaw?
sfc_mark
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Nor was it ever intended to be. The town council stated at the time that they had no intention of executing search warrants to verify compliance. It was a political statement in response to the ridiculous ban in Morton Grove.
chuckusaret
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Sir, Your information is also misleading and wrong. You missed the bank robbery in 2008. Sorry, I left there in 2007. We were discussing home invasion and robbery type crimes. I don't care how many laws you have there will always be domestic crime and stupid accidental shootings. The bottom line is that it is hard to beat their record of only three gun deaths in 27 years and all other crimes down 72%.
Would you care to put your town's crime rates against Kennesaw's?
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Art Eatman
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The aftermath of passage of the laws in Morton Grove and Kennesaw: The crime stats showed that the burglary rate in Morton Grove rose, and the burglary rate in Kennesaw fell to nearly zero. The laughter rate of the pro-gun world was not recorded by the media.
KBintheSLC
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Now this is a gun law my conscience can support.
chuckusaret
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The same has happened in Florida since we enacted the Castle Law, home invasions, muggings, convience store robberies, & car jacking
crimes have decreased.
crimes have decreased.
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