Manton, London Shotgun

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Thanks for the info I`m off for a short holliday as well ,till friday i`ll keep my fingers crossed and sincerely hope that I am wrong.

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Oscar
Btw bertus is my nickname,Oscar my christian name
 
Hi bertus / Oscar & Jim K.

I was finally able to do a little more research, & this is what I have found.

From Gun Makers 1350-1850 By Howard L Blackmore, Manton supplement by Neal & Back 1849 volume. "Geo.Henry Manton favored quality shotguns, while Gildon Manton favored volume production, so was some of the internal affairs, which started the Indian Colonial market.

Guns by Frederick Wilkeinson pg 150.
In the eighteenth century Manton's & most of the British guns were produced in Birmingham and the parts sent to London for finishing and assembling. Clients prepared to pay the price could still have the entire gun made in the shop in London, by the London maker.

Antique Guns & the Collors Guide by John E. Traister, pg 174.
It was only after 1893 that H.D.Folsum, Bacon, & Cresent Firearms were now producing a vast number of firearms under a host of names of about a hundred such makers, which included Barker,CW Franklin, Manton, W.Richards & Wilkinson Arms Co.
Belgium made gun parts proofed in Birmingham were also marked with a Crown & F for foreigners.

In view of all of this I feel confident that this shotgun is a Manton & not a Belgium knockoff. The master himself may not have laid his hands on it but it is real & genuine, & I accept this.
My daughter is tickled pink to own it now.

Thanks to all, for your input while the research was on going. :):):)

Digger.
 
Digger,

What is the significance of the "FW" on your barrel ? I see some LC Smith shotguns are listed as FW LC Smith and the barrels are described as "Feather Weight" Is it the same here and what does that mean? Anyone?

Semper FI-
 
Leatherneck o311

I believe the FW represents the inspectors initials.
The term Feather Weight is used with Franchi shotguns & Feather Light is used by Ithaca.
Can anyone shed some insight into this?

Thanks, Digger.
 
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Does anyone out there know the value of a J. Manton & Company 20 Gauge Double Barrel Side by Side, 27 Inch Damascus Barrel Shotgun with the marking "London Fine Twist" Serial Number 8377? I'd appreciate any info. Thanks!
 
"Antique Guns & the Collors Guide by John E. Traister, pg 174.
It was only after 1893 that H.D.Folsum, Bacon, & Cresent Firearms were now producing a vast number of firearms under a host of names of about a hundred such makers, which included Barker,CW Franklin, Manton, W.Richards & Wilkinson Arms Co."

I hope that is not being misinterpreted. Those guns were not being made FOR the legitimate makers, they were counterfeits made with approximations of the names of high quality makers and with deliberate intent to deceive the buyer. Westley Richards, for example, always marked his guns exactly that way; a gun marked "W. Richards" is a fake, no matter who made it.

Jim
 
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