Marine Marksmanship Training

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Hey all, I just graduated Marine Corp Recruiting Depot, Parris Island, South Carolina. While I’m by no means a weapons expert, one of the things I was most impressed with was the training I received on the M16 service rifle. You spend one whole week learning in a class room setting about the fundamentals of marksmanship, breath control, trigger control, bone support etc. You also spend a lot time “snapping in”, where you put on a loop sling and lay in the prone, sitting, kneeling and standing position for around twenty minutes so your body would be used to it later on.
The second week you go out to the range and start shooting from the 200, 300, and 500 yard line. Before coming to recruit training, 100 yards was to far for me to shoot accurately from a bench, so I was surprised when saw that I could consistently hit the man sized target at 500 yards when I used the basic shooting fundamentals they had taught me.
The next rifle training you receive is called A-Line. This is where you start “tactical shooting”. At 25 yards you would fire controlled pairs, and failure to stop drills, two round to the stomach, one to head etc, all while where you flack vest and Kevlar. You also shoot moving targets but they move so slow it’s a joke.
All in all I was very impressed with the training I received, especially our instructors. The Primary Marksmanship Instructors and range coaches where able to take a company of 300 recruits, many of whom where afraid to even touch a gun, and turn them into basically trained rifleman in a very short period of time.
The training you receive at recruit training will not turn you into an uber hard core, spec op, tactical shooter, but it does lay the ground work for future training at other schools. My question for all the Marines out there is, what was your marksmanship training like? I know the curriculum changes very quickly with lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan.
By the way, I graduated from 3rd Battalion, Kilo Company, Plt. 3057, Senior Drill Instructor SSgt. Miller, the best of the best.
Regards,
 
The type of marksmanship training you received can be the envy of "legion" on the outside.
Its surprizing just how easy it is to hit those 400 and 500 meter targets after receiving the proper training.
I had the knack of taking soldiers who had the proper fundamentals and would only manage to qualify marksman in the army and turn them into top quality shooters.
I did it consistantly.

Thank you for sharing your experience Marine.

SFC
 
It's good to know that the Marine rifle training has not changed since I was a NCO at Parris! Spent my the last 3yrs in the Corps there, doing just what you just finished recieving! The training program may have changed some since I left, but the basics remain the same.
Semper Fi MARINE!!!!!!!!!!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
Congratulations

Congrats Crazy Al:

Sounds like good training.

I don't think you mentioned any handgun training. Was there any of that at the range?

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Welcome to the Marine Corps CUAG.

I'm glad to hear that the marksmanship training hasn't change since I went through PI in 1956, but then we were using M1 Garands.:)



You are doing something now that will stay with you the rest of your life.
I later became a Army Warrant Officer helicopter pilot but in my heart I'll always be a USMC Sergeant.
Once a Marine, always a Marine.

Semper Fi Marine.
 
As my user name states I am a old Marine Grunt. I qualified with the M-14 at Camp Pendleton. I THINK we shot out to 600 yards with the M-14. This ring a bell with anyone else who used the M-14?
 
I wouldn't be such an avid collector/shooter if it hand been for my Beloved Corps. After I realized I could hit targets that, prior to my USMC training I would have thought you could only do with a scoped rifle, I was on my way to being a huge gunt nut.

Semper Fi !!
 
To answer your question about future training, everything you did at Known Distance Firing, is going to go right out the window when you get to SOI or MCT. :) Once a year you'll fire the KD Course(If you're lucky,) And that's just for your promotion score. Your "A Line" training, (Called something different, but probably the same thing as I did 4 years ago) is what you're going to be doing for all of your training ops. where you are firing stationary. Get used to wearing that Flak and Kevlar. It sucks, but you're going to be wearing it every time you shoot, except when you go back to the KD range.


To answer BruceRDucer, you don't receive any hand gun training in Boot camp. As a matter of fact, with very few exceptions, it's only Officers, Staff Non Commisioned Officers, and Weapons Platoon guys(Machine Gunners, Mortar Men, and Assault Men) get side arms. Your standard Issue Grunt doesn't do anything like that.
 
1 old 0311 I was Navy for 10 years before switching to army reserve but I went from M1 and BAR to M14 and M16. I never felt like I was really shooting till we shot 600 and 1,000 yard targets and that was only at matches. My home range was only 300 yards long so we had to use the reduced targets to simulate 600 and 1,000, it just wasn't the same. It was the only time I felt truly at ease with army and marine troops in a social situation, shooters treat each other better when you all lay on the same pile of rocks and put up with the same sun and wind. Call me a dinosaur but I never liked the M16.
 
Than you for "filling in" for my medically-retired Corporal.

Unlike his brother and sister, our Marine wasn't much interested in shooting when young. I only drug him out to our local range twice to familiarize with an AR-15 prior to his training at Recruit Depot, Parris Island.

I DID force him to strip and clean the AR and he was the best in his Series at that task.

Before he departed, I told him not to let on that he had EVER touched an M-16-style firearm and simply do EXACTLY what the Gunnies/instructors said regarding shooting. At least he listened to that advice -- he shot #2 in his Series. Not bad for a rookie!
 
Crazy Uncle Al Gore, Im also from Plt. 3057 I dont want to say too much but just to let you know that i'm not just some idiot on the internet i was Torres E. rackmate. I can't believe someone else is on this gun forum that i Actually know. I just got back this morning at 0830 or so. all kinds of traffic and getting pulled over by the state police slowed things down a bit. i finally had enough tine to log on and i saw this post i cant really believe it. So who is this exactly? just let me know who your rackmate is or something like that. So how are you enjoying your leave? It's so different just doing what you want to and not having anyone scream and yell at you. let me know who this is.
 
WE called it A Line in '93 as well, though we also got to fire 10rds FamFire from an M9. Sounds like the range is still the same on the Island.
 
3rd BN Company K PLT 3018

But west coast was I.

I felt like the marksmanship training covered ground I already knew. The old saying of "people shoot better if they haven't shot before because they don't have bad habits to unlearn" is not always true. I've been into precision rifles for a long time and I am a pretty decent pistol shooter, both on a competitive basis. I've got my 3rd award expert and rifle coach secondary MOS.

The second time I qual'd at Horno was when I first got to the Battalion, and I was still a private. It's tradition that when you shoot expert, you give the coach your right collar rank insignia, but as a private, I didn't have any, so I cut the corner off my collar and he safety pinned it to his pocket. My blouse was ruined, but they were my swim cammies anyway.
 
I'm surprised theres no handgun training. I'd feel naked without one. Even with a rifle I'd want back up.
 
This old Seabee wishes all you Marine types well.

I've gotton to participate in a few Marine weapons training events through the years. Seems I would show up to speak with someone, next thing I know, "hey you wanna shoot"?

I remember staying in the Scout Sniper barracks years ago at Quantico during a match. Great bunch of guys. Caught a few good tips between beers.
 
How long does the MC basic training take?

I was in the Swiss military, where recruit training takes 21 weeks. Usually you visit the rifle or urban range 2-3 times a week. Marksmansship standards are very high.
 
I was just happy to be getting paid to shoot with free ammo :)! In addition to becoming a United States Marine it was literally a dream come true. I was kind of disappointed they didn't let us fire on three round burst though, and I wasn't a real big fan of the M16 I had to carry around everywhere, there was just too much plastic, but shooting is shooting whatever weapon you have.

VonClausewitz, Recruit training is a total of 13 week, after that non-infantry go through four weeks of combat training at MCT and infantry go to ITB for 8 weeks. After all that you go to MOS school (job school) and then go out to your unit.
 
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It sounds like rifle training at PI hasn't changed much since the late 80s. I was one of those recruits. Thought I knew everything. Didn't pay attention in classes, generally gaffed off grass drills, and in all, didn't take it seriously.

Then I shot pizza box.

I was livid.

I bought an AR and dry-fired at home whenever I could. Shot on my own. Tried to remember EVERYTHING those PMIs tried to teach my hard-headed stupid self. Next qual with my unit? Sharspshooter. I was still mad. My third year I finally got the crossed rifles.

Glad that you paid attention and avoided my mistake. Boot camp rifle training is some of the best marksmanship training in the world. The Marine Corps has it down to a science. I'd pay good money for two weeks of PMI instruction now. And I've not made that mistake since. When weapons instructors talk, I'm all #$%^% ears.

And Semper Fidelis, Marine.
 
Semper Fi.

MCT and A-Line were not around when I was in, but if you want some good training with a handgun and shotgun try to get in to the Security Forces Battallion. Stay safe and

Good night Chesty, where ever you are!
 
OOH-Ra
Welcome to the Corps
3rd Batt, K Co, plt 325
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I got sharpshooter in Boot, and made Expert the rest of the time.
the KD course of fire is still the same as when I was in. Congrats on a graduation and have fun in the MARINES
VonClausewitz, Boot camp is 12 weeks long and then you follow that with your speciality training, Advanced infantry was about another 6 or 8 weeks when I was in.
 
Hey all, I just graduated Marine Corp Recruiting Depot, Parris Island, South Carolina.

A heart congrats and welcome to the ranks of those who have served.

Now... a question for the list-mind.

A young man of my acquaintance is going into Marine 90 day wonder school to become a gentleman.

He's had no firearms experience at all.

1) Should he prepare himself beforehand?

2) How?
 
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