Marines Ordered to Dump Iraq War Booty

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Marines Ordered to Dump Iraq War Booty

By RAVI NESSMAN .c The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Since they arrived, U.S. Marines have been doing their own kind of looting - grabbing Iraqi pistols, rifles, uniforms and pictures of Saddam Hussein.

On Friday, they were ordered to dump what they took or lose their rank.

``You did not conquer ... this country. Get off your high horse,'' Lt. Col. Michael Belcher told his officers. ``You took some thugs and ran them out.''

The commander of the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines, reminded his soldiers that the Iraqi people allowed U.S.-led forces to oust Saddam Hussein. They deserve respect, he said, and that means no looting.

There will be no ``'I won this country back. I can take what I can get,''' Belcher said.

Then he pulled out a pile of booty already confiscated: a picture of Saddam with a bullseye drawn on it, ammunition magazines and Iraqi uniforms.

Stolen tear gas canisters particularly infuriated Belcher, who worried that a Marine might fire off a canister to disperse unruly crowds in the city.

``It's chemical warfare,'' Belcher said.

Soon, a group of quiet Marines glumly gathered to toss their booty onto an ever-growing pile.

They threw in Kalashnikov rifles, gas masks and sacks of bullets.

One Marine dropped an assault vest filled with ammunition clips.

Another put in a rocket-propelled grenade round.

Lance Cpl. Randall Taylor, 19, of Texarkana, Texas, came out of his Humvee carrying two Iraqi grenades he had hoped to use before leaving.

``I was gonna throw these,'' he said, smiling like a shamed child.

Other Marines were angry.

``You don't have to give that up, do you?'' Pfc. Michael Lara, 19, of Raymondville, Texas, asked as a colleague added a helmet to the pile.

Some Marines plotted to smuggle home smaller things - a pistol, Iraqi military patches ripped from uniforms, small pictures of Saddam.

They had been warned before against collecting war souvenirs, but some Marines had been rapidly collecting huge caches.

At first they took small things - knives, perhaps a pistol or two. But as they stumbled upon large armories filled with nearly every type of weapon in Iraqi's arsenal, they became more brazen, taking rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

A bartering economy emerged based on weaponry and cigarettes. One Marine offered an Iraqi sword for a pack of hard-to-get smokes. He was turned down. Hiding a military patch is one thing. Smuggling a sword is altogether different.

Cpl. Jesse Schutz, 21, of Omaha, Neb., happily surrendered two Kalashnikov rifles and swords a few days ago so they could be run over by a tank and destroyed.

``It just isn't worth it,'' he said. ``I can go back to Wal-Mart to buy a gun instead of stealing it from a country.''

04/11/03 15:53 EDT
 
Bugs me.
I'd like them to be able to bring back rifles, mags, helmets, patches ... whatever.

I'd discourage hand-grenades and RPG rounds ... mostly because of concerns about instability of the explosive.
 
And I can just imagine the single thought going through the minds of a lot of those soldiers....

EBAY!!! *kaaaaaaching*
 
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``It just isn't worth it,'' he said.
Nope. All you end up doing is taking all the risks only to have it confiscated upon returning to CONUS and ending up as a souvenir gracing the collection of some REMF who never deployed.
 
These guys are crazy if they think can get away with bringing full-auto weapons home. This has been explicitly against the rules for a long time. Someone needs to tell these Marines about the long list of NFA rules they would be violating and they many years in prison they would spend by sneaking in an AK. If nothing else, it might make them more pro-SA than they are now.
 
Ebay?
I expected the head of that big toppled statue to end up on Ebay within a few hours.
 
Saw the clip that had the room with the shotguns in it. It breaks my heart to think these will be destroyed. Man, they could pay off some of the war by selling these items. I personally would like to volunteer to "dispose of" the excess ammo.:D
 
Nickles and dimes. If these guys were after the real money, they'd be rolling up Persian rugs and bringing those back to sell.

I also read that some GIs wrote their names on the wall of Saddam's palace and got reprimanded and made to scrub them off.

I think it's a crock of:cuss: . Guys can't get cigarettes ("oh, that's BAD for them!"---yeah, and AK rounds aren't?:rolleyes: ), can't write their names on a dictator's romper room wall, and can't take home something to show the grandkids. Whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Firearms and ordnance may be one thing, but the rest sure sounds PC to the nth.

I fully expect most of this stuff to go in the crusher if our guys didn't take it, or the Iraqis would take it themselves, though I hardly think they'd want helmets, patches, or, especially, pictures of Saddam.

GI bringbacks are a nice tradition that shouldn't stop. Sounds like eight years of Klinton had their effect. :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like LTC Belcher needs to lighten up a little bit. Hopefully, this is just a local thing and doesn't affect all units.
 
No way should the Marine Corps allow a single thing to be pilfered. If you didn't buy it, it's not yours. Pilfering/smuggling can quickly get out of hand if there's not a zero-tolerance policy. Too much theft could jeopardize the very image these guys fought to instill.

Yeah, I know: "neat stuff." But we shouldn't steal it from either individuals or the country.

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So all the Marines who brought back Nambus and swords from Iwo and Tarawa were wrong? In some recent cases, WW2 Marines have returned swords to the families of the Japanese officers who owned them (most of these swords have markings traceable to the owner's family.) The families were grateful because had those swords not been picked up, they would have rusted away by now.
 
After the first gulf war Congress amended the UCMJ to forbid the bringing home of all military implements. That includes patches, bayos, uniforms, guns, you name it.

In order to bring anything home you have to get writen permission from your commander and then run it up to the theater command (in this case Franks or his office).

Good luck on that happening.
 
JMHO

Personally I think "prizes" such as guns, flags, uniforms, medals and pictures of Saddam are fair game. In short, military stuff is always fair game (including regimental silverware, too bad for the Brits who lost theirs in the Revolution). Even guns are OK if they're not full auto. Let them keep those semi-auto sniper rifles, pistols or bolt actions. Art Museums, archaelogical sites, stores, religious sites, electronic toys, homes of non-combatants are no-no.

Even today art looted by GIs during WW II is returned to Europe. Generally dad brought home a prize and is too embarassed to return it and when dad has gone to the retirement home in the sky, the kids return the loot.
 
No, looting items has NOT always been fair game. It has not been allowed by the US military since the 60s if not before. That doesn't mean that folks didn't get away with doing it.

Besides, the bottom line here is that the soldiers were told that they were not allowed to collect souveniers or war booty. They had their orders, regulations to abide by. Why they thought that just because they were in country that things changed for them as individuals is beyond me. Orders are orders. You don't get to pick and choose.
 
Somehow, I think officers will get more leeway in their "orders."

Tell me again how medals, patches, helmets, knives, uniforms are going to be of use to the Iraqi people? The original owners either didn't want it or won't be needing it, as the case may be.
 
It's the Bush Administration's policy. Our guys are just armed "policemen" throwing out the criminals. They won't be treated as warriors.

No US flag to fight and die under, no "war" souviners, untimately, I predict, not much praise either. Just like Korea, except that we are winning not negotiating a stalemate.

The American elites don't want to hurt the Iraqui sensibilities, don't you know. The tiny, moslem countries that make up the UN might take offense.
 
Your soldiers don't have the imagination to get those AK's back to the US without anyone noticing.

I know that quite a few Norwegians deployed in Lebanon for the UN, brought AK's back.
They covered the AK's with paper mache, sculptured like their G3's. They were painted, and even the weight felt right, as there was a real gun inside. :cool:
They just slung them and carried them onto the airplane.

Who would realy notice that extra rifle over in the corner? :D

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You base this on what?

The military caste system. Officers get more privileges and less scrutiny. I don't think some Major is going to go through every Captain's gear looking for patches and knives. I certainly don't think a Sergeant, who'd be most likely to be assigned the task would stick their neck out unless it was something grossly criminal, like smuggling in a firearm.
 
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