Marlin 45-70 opinions

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Im looking at getting a Marlin 1895GS, the 18.5 inch barrel 45-70.

What is everyone's experience with these guns? What kind of accuracy are these rifles capable of?

I would definitely be reloading for this gun too

I have an 1894 in .44 mag and love it. I just really like the look and feel of these guns.
 
I have a full length 1895 in .45-70,and at 50 yards,it makes little cloverleaf groups.The extra barrel weight helps to keep recoil manageable when you shoot Garret or Buffalo heavy duty loads.These rifles are capable of firing loads that are close to .458 Win Mag specs if you can take it.Nice rifles,you will like it a lot.Mine has become my go to gun for deer and hogs.
 
I have a 1895 G (blued) and when I had a scope on it for testing my reloads, I wasa able to get cloverleafs at 3 shots/100 yards. I have since replace the scope with peep sights and my eye sight isn't what it use to be so I don't get that anymore. The recoil isn't that baad but the muzzle jump is something to behold.
 
I have an older model 1895G with the ported barrel. With a Williams FP receiver sight and FO front bead it places 3 Federal 300gr. JHPs into slightly less than 3/4" at 50 yds. and about 2 1/2" at 100. What with my bifocal-clad eyes and improvised rest I don't consider that too shabby.

Recoil with these loads seems less pronounced to me than 200 gr. .35 Rem. stuff in my old 336. The porting seems to work well keeping muzzle jump down, too.
 
The .45/70 is a wonderful cartridge with an interesting history.

In 1868 Lt. Col. George Custer was serving a one-year “Time Out” at the request of the Military. But the Lakota Sioux didn’t like that one bit because, without Custer to play with, all the braves had to stay home with their Honey-do lists and the In-laws. So they complained about Custer’s absence to General Phil Sheridan and he, in turn, convinced President Grant to give Custer and early release from his “Time Out” so he could go save the Frontier.

When Custer was getting ready to go West his wife, Libby, noticed he was packing his beat-up old rifle from the Civil War. Always fashion-conscious, she called Grant and said she wouldn’t let the 7th Cavalry depart unless they had respectable new rifles.

Faced with this problem, Grant turned to his Secretary of War, a Manpower temp from S. Dakota named Mortimer Springfield (formerly Washeetsu Two-Mountains Blackfeather but he changed his name so it would fit on his business card) and asked him to figure out what the Army’s new rifle should be.

A fellow named Otis Rettig of the Singer Corporation made a full-court press to sell Springfield some weenie rifle called the 30/06, but Springfield couldn’t make up his mind. So he sent out a questionnaire asking if everyone thought the Army should have .30 caliber, bolt-action repeaters, or something more traditional.

And the response to the questionnaire is how the 45/70 got its’ name. 45% of the respondents said they didn’t know hardly anywhere the 30/06 ammo could be bought and 70% of the respondents said they would rather the Army be armed with a nice, traditional single-shot that fired a bullet the size of a trapdoor. What Secretary Springfield forgot to mention to Grant is that all the responding letters came from the same address: 666 Little Bighorn Circle., Montana, 59031.

Once the rifle type and caliber were decided, the Government’s blinding speed got the new weapon into the hands of the Army in less than four years and in 1873 Custer and the 7th. - newly armed with the fashionable 45/70 Trapdoor Springfields - went off to joust with the western indigent tribes who, poor souls, had to struggle through the game with lever-action Yellow-Boy repeaters etc. After a number of rather smoky preseason scrimmages, everyone converged upon the Greasy Grass in late June of 1876 for the Centennial Homecoming Game, in which Army lost to Sioux by something like 236 to 48. It should also be noted that the .45/70 Trapdoor Springfield is the Sioux nation’s All-Time Favorite Rifle and Caliber even today.

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After hearing about the accuracy some of you are getting I'm sold.

As long as we're on the subject of lever actions, what is the point of putting one of those large loops on the rifle?
 
I have 2 Marlin 1895s in .450 Marlin. One is an original M model with the 18 1/2" ported bbl., the other is an MR with the 22" bbl. Scoped (Leupold Vx-l, 2-7x32), either will occasionally print 3 shot groups that can be covered by a quarter (coin). Most of the time, a quarter will completely cover 2 shots and show maybe a 1/8" crescent of the third shot. This is at 100 yds shooting off 2 sandbags under the forearm and one under the butt. Wind has never seemed to be much of a factor, though admittedly, I've never shot either rifle (at the range) in high-wind conditions.

Everybody I've spoken with that own and shoot Marlin's 1895 series has mentioned their surprise at how accurate the rifles are. Without exception.

Regarding your other question, I have large hands... actually, my hands are wide and not so long. The lever on my straight-stocked M model is the factory "square" loop. I can only comfortably fit 3 fingers in the loop, and only 2 if I'm wearing gloves. My MR has the curved "pistol-grip" stock and has a rounded, curved-loop factory lever. With no gloves, I can somewhat tightly fit all 4 fingers in the loop; 3 if I'm wearing gloves. The large aftermarket levers ( or the one I tried on another guy's rifle) allowed 4 finger fit even with gloves, and perhaps allowed my hand a little bit of a "running start" at overcoming the friction of cycling a fired case out of the chamber. The one I've only seen in magazine ads, the one that looks like it might have come off Chuck Connor's gun in the old "The Rifleman" TV series, just looks ridiculously large... like it might even get in the way of good functioning by not having your hand in the right place for a fast follow-up shot. But again, I can't factually back that up.

If you buy an 1895 in any of it's calibers or iterations, I think you'll really like it.
 
I too love my 1895G. It shoots better than I can with open sights. I tried a rear mounted scope but the muzzle jump makes this a risky proposition. The only problem I have had with mine is that when I got it the shell carrier did not come all the way up. Unless you worked the action fast enough to bounce the round a little it would deform the nose of the bullet. Sometimes not chambering at all. I checked all the ones in stock locally and they all had this problem. I soldered a needle bearing onto the lever where it contacts the carrier and it will feed empty cases now. Hopefully they have fixed this problem by now. Mine is about 4 years old.
 
my ss guidegun can keep rounds in bull @ 100 yards with 4X scope mounted on see-thur mounts.
with factory (standard) loads it is a pleasure to shoot. with bufflo boar heavy loads, it'll wake you up for sure!
 
I have owned a Marlin full size .45-70 for a while and have used it for deer hunting in the past. It is very accurate at 100 yards, I can get three shot groups of about an inch and a half fairly consistently. I shot one deer with it, it is very impressive for anchoring a deer. :)
 
Why in the world would anyone want to put four fingers in a lever loop? Unless you've got about six extra joints in your thumb, and can use that to pull the trigger, it sounds like a poor practice to me.

But anyhow, the large loops were originally designed for hunting convenience with gloves on. In recent years, largely due to John Wayne and Chuck Connors influence, they've become fashion accessories.
 
Love the 1895G

I think you're making the same kinda choice I did. I've the 1894 in 44 and the 1895G (blued, no ports). Both are great guns to reload for, but if you don't you can still buy mild (Rem 405g) to wild (BB, Garret) and it will all get the job done. Dang fun rifles. I have had Williams 5D aperture sights on them in the past, but my vision works better with low power 20mm objective scopes mounted nice and low. Using Weavers right now that I'm pleased with, a K2.5 2.5x fixed and a V3 1-3x. I was surprised at the accuracy once I tuned in some loads. Examples with my low recoil range load for the 1895G:

50 yards - Kneeling

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100 yards - Kneeling

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A number of years ago, I had a 1895, I now have an 1895G w/o ports.

I've not shot any jacketed bullets through the 1895G. However, with either a RCBS 300gr FNGC, I'm getting typical 1.75'' groups (3-shots @ 100yds) and occasional 1" 3-shot groups with 48.0gr of H4198 for around 1,800fps. A fairly warm but flat shooting load, with modest recoil.

I also get nearly as good accuracy from a Lee 405-HBFN at 1,700fps under 54.0g of either IMR4064 or Varget. This load is adequate for anything in Western Hemisphere and most anything in the world as I heat treat the bullets to ~19bhn.

Bullets cost about 3 cents for the 405 (no gascheck) or 5 cents for the gaschecked bullet. I make them my self and I have a near lifetime supply of wheel weights and ~100lbs of linotype metal (NO its not for sale, or trade- don't even ask !)

A near perfect rifle for most anywhere in the S.E. USA. Where it's not, I've got that covered too..........many times over.........

But I really like the Marlin. I have three in all....... .30/30, .35Rem, .45/70. Hardest decision is which gets left at home......!
 
I like the feel of the Cowboy model with 26 inch barrel. With a Marble's tang sight only, groups around 1 1/2 inch at 100yds. I couldn't ask for more.

gary
 
I agree with Gary. More barrel civilizes the Marlin 1895. One handy gun for mountains and woods. Such a wide range of ammo from mild to powerful Buffalo Bore.

Has anyone shot the Leverolution ammo from Hornady? Curious if that gave them the flatter trajectory for longer shots they advertise.
 
I've see the Leverevolution ammo at the gun store. I'm planning on picking some up for my .44 and seeing how it does. I'm curious about the performance myself because the tips are soft enough that they squish when you push the tip down on a hard surface.
 
Mat, I'm sitting here feeling a little buffoonish about the "4 fingers in the loop" thing. You're right, and of course I can't and don't shoot that way. But I will sit there on the stump with the rifle across my lap, and 3 or 4 fingers in the loop, depending on which rifle I'm hunting with, the temperature, and whether or not I'm wearing gloves or my "pop-top" mittens.
 
The first example of the large loop lever I ever saw or heard of was made by stuntman/actor Yakima Canute for a Winchester M92 carbine.

I don't recall ever hearing or reading anything but speculation regarding his exact purpose for the mod. The most common thread seems to be that it was to fascilitate the "spin cycling" move that he developed and John Wayne et al adopted for movie roles.

It is noteworthy, IMO, that the first appearance of both was in a film where Canute was involved as a stuntman and technical advisor.

I haven't tried the new Hornady cartridges in my own 1895G or 336 as yet. With an 18 1/2 - 20" barreled, iron sighted carbine I set a self-imposed range limit of c. 100-125 yds max for a game shot, and don't see where they would offer enough of an advantage over conventional factory JHPs or my equivalent handloads within that to be worth the considerable extra cost.

I've read and heard of feeding problems in non-XTR and older '95Gs and Ms. Marlin is said to have gone to a slightly different cartridge lifter in XTRs and new manufacture 336/'95 models to remedy that and to offer the part for retrofitting. Can't guess how much of an actual issue that might be for obvious reasons, but thought it might be worth passing along.
 
Go Fo It...

Get it and you'll love it! Mine is an older one with a ported barrel and some nice looking factory wood. I handload the 300 grain Hornady and 405 grain Remington JSP's for it.

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Guide gun is great, the only bitch I have with mine is the barrel is not centered perfectly. This only really becomes noticable when using a receiver sight. One day I will send it in. With the G Gun you should never feel under gunned.
 
It's my favorite gun! :D

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Torpid, what kind of sights do you have on there? How well do they work, I'm thinking about changing the sights on my 1894 and i like peep / ghost rings
 
Great story Shawnee! The version I know is a bit different, but no where near as entertaining... ;-)
 
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