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Marlin 60 FTE every shot!!!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by mickeydim468, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. mickeydim468

    mickeydim468 Member

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    Don't know what is going wrong. Never had a bit of trouble with my Marlin 60 rifle until today. Went out to the range with my daughter to just do some plinking and get some father/daughter time together this afternoon after work.

    To check the scope and see if it was still sighted in alright I took the first shot and FTE. I cleared it and tried again. Same results. This was new ammo, Peters brand, from Bi-Mart.

    I thought maybe she just didn't like the new brand of ammo, but the guy next to me saw what was happening and offered to help. I told him my thoughts on the ammo, so he handed me a handful of some of what he was shooting. CCI mini mags. My Marlin likes these, so I thought, OK we got her whipped. I unloaded the rest of the Peters ammo and put in the CCI. I took the first shot and it worked fine. :) I took one more shot to be sure before handing over the rifle to my daughter, and FTE again. I cleared it and shot again. Same result.

    I quick cycled the action manually and it spit cartridges just like it is supposed to.

    I cleaned the rifle today and made sure to oil it properly before leaving for the range. I did notice that the long spring has a slight bend in it. Nothing excessive at all, but still not 100% straight. I was able to straighten it before reassembly though.

    When we got home, I looked real close at the extractor on the eject port side, and it does have a spot where the paint is worn off, but the metal does not look worn.

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    Mike!
     
  2. FiveInADime

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    The ejector wire is out of place. You just need to bend it back so it is perfectly lined up again. The 60 action is simple and that ejector wire is the problem with FTE almost every time. There's a good pictorial over at rimfirecentral.com in the semi-auto Marlin section that shows just where that ejector needs to be.
     
  3. mickeydim468

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    I just found the sticky thread at rimfirecentral that you were talking about. Great info and an ingenious way to explain the proper alignment. Every Model 60 owner needs to know about this.

    My extractor wire was straight and flat. I have negotiated it back into place, so I guess another range visit is in order.

    Bad storm coming in today, and supposed to last through the weekend, so I guess it'll have to wait until next week.

    Thank you for your help. I never would have guessed that part would have had anything to do with it.

    Mike!
     
  4. mickeydim468

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    Hey... Slicker than snot, that worked. My extractor wire was straight. A slight tweaking and reassembly, then a test fire out the back door, shot the first shot, checked that bolt was clear, then rapid fired 5 more shots, all without a hitch.

    Thank you VERY MUCH!

    Funny thing... While trying to figure out what happened on my own last night, I removed the right side extractor, cleaned it up in its groove and inspected the tip. All went well until reassembly. I guess my dexterity is getting rusty in my old age. That little spring under the extractor sure does fly fast when you lose your grip on it. I still haven't found it. It must be in the next county.

    I had to fashion a spring as a temporary replacement until I can get one from Numrich's. I used a spring from an ink pen. I had to tighten it up a bit to reduce its diameter and cut it to length, but it is working great for now. :what:

    Thanks Again!

    Mike!
     
  5. sansone

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    I like the ink-pen spring modification mike ;)
     
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    I've never heard any one say "ink pen" that wasn't a southerner....

    Tell the truth Mike.... were you raised south of the Mason-Dixon line?
     
  7. mickeydim468

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    I was born and raised in southern California, but my daddy, a WWII Army vet, was raised in the northern panhandle of Texas. McLean to be exact. His momma chewed tabacky and smoked roll yer owns. When someone asked for a clean spoon at the dinner table once, she licked hers and handed it to them saying, "Its clean now!" When everyone laughed, she was baffled because she was serious.

    That was her way... She died long before I was born. In fact I only knew one of my grandparents, and that is only because she lived to 96 years old. My parents were fairly old when I was born. I was an oops, 8 years after they were done making a family. Dad died when I was 16.

    Mom was from the north. She was born and raised in North Dakota. It was her mom who lived to 96 don't cha know! :)

    As for the spring from the ink pen, I used what I had. I try not to let the lack of parts stop me from finishin' a project. If I can make a suitable substitute, I sure will try.

    Mike!
     
  8. FiveInADime

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    Glad you got it sorted out Mickey. That Marlin board has some ingenious folks lingering around. There was a guy that came up with a premium trigger group for the 60/795 that was just amazing. I don't know if he's still making and selling them or not. That board also single-handedly strong-armed Boyds into producing a variety of stocks for the 60/795.

    The 60/795 semi-autos will run and run and run as long as you keep them dry and the parts in the right place. And there's never been a question of the accuracy with them. My 795 and 60 shoot TINY little groups at 50 yards.
     
  9. mickeydim468

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    I have never had any trouble with mine at all until yesterday. I think it was self induced, thinking back now to the last time I cleaned it when I put up the rifle. I think I may have straightened that wire thinking it must have gotten bent or something. I didn't realize that there was a method to their madness in having it bent that way. Pretty funny if you think about it huh?

    It had to have been about 6 months or so since I took that rife out plinking, so I totally forgot about doing that, but sitting here wondering how it got out of place, I have a very vague memory of the above described event. Very grateful you got me sorted out. I am hoping the weather holds out a few more hours, so I can surprise my daughter at the bus stop and take her shooting as planned yesterday. She was so bummed that we couldn't have more fun yesterday. I think I am going to take my Nylon 66 out with us too!

    What's better than having one .22 to play with? Two!

    Mike!
     
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    Just got home from shooting with my daughter. Great trip! She was so excited and happy to be out shooting with her daddy. Not one FTE or FTF in about 200 rounds.

    My daughter hadn't been shooting with me for a while. She has sure gotten better too. I guess that daisy BB gun has really taught her to aim, and hit what she wants to. She shoots that thing all the time and it has really paid off.

    Before at 25 yards with the .22, she would take about 2 minutes to get ready to shoot and then would be satisfied with her sight picture and then would take the shot. I don't think she could grasp the sight picture with the irons really, plus I think she was nervous. She rarely hit what she was aiming at.

    Not today... She took about 3 seconds to get it where she wanted and she squeezed the trigger. Bullseye! :what: I could barely believe it. I told her to do it again... She did the same thing. It wasn't a fluke. She is really better, and she proved it over and over again today. I couldn't be more proud of her progress. She is only 9 and shoots as good as some older boys I have been shooting with.

    Then she asked if she could shoot my carry pistol. I was a bit hesitant, but said OK. It is a Ruger LCP. I told her it kicks a bit, and to hold it firmly and that I would help her with the first few shots. I showed her the proper grip and aim, and handed it to her to have her feel it and do a dry run first. She held it right and then I had her dry fire to feel the trigger. She did and said she was ready. So I inserted the clip and racked the slide. I helped hold it with her and she squeezed the trigger, and missed the target completely. :eek: LOL

    She said, "That really does kick, doesn't it?""I want to try again." :neener: I said OK and let her try it herself. She aimed and again squeezed the trigger. This time she only missed a little bit, but the grin on her face when she turned around was priceless. She is hooked. Hook, line, and sinker!

    She said, "When I get older and bigger, that kick ain't going to be a problem. I will be used to it by then!" :D I am so happy she likes shooting. I bet she will be a great shooter someday, not only with rifles, but with handguns too.

    I just thought I would let you guys in on a great day. Thanks to you I got my Marlin working again, and without that, today may not have happened. So thanks again!

    Mike!
     
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    Sounds like a hoot Mickey. I have my first child on the way and I plan to get him involved in shooting as soon as he is ready. My dad got me a Daisy air rifle for my fourth birthday and began teaching me gun safety. He obviously didnt let me shoot it alone for several more years but I am greatful I got such a good head start.
    The best thing that happened to my shooting abilities was to get involved competitively at a young age. Your daughter is almost at the age where you could start her with youth smallbore competition. My dad got me a bolt-action Marlin for my tenth bday and I took the NRA youth safety course and from there I joined our clubs youth smallbore team shooting 3P and Prone matches at first with that Marlin and then the club bought us target rifles. Great experience and I received to notch instruction at a very good time to learn new things.

    Thanks for sharing :)
     
  12. mickeydim468

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    Since my dad was older when I was born and had heart troubles, we never got to do those typical father/son activities together. I always felt like I missed out on a bunch of stuff other kids in the neighborhood got to do. I was never taught to shoot or hunt or any of that cool dad stuff.

    I had to learn it all on my own once I finally got older and moved to a place where people owning and shooting guns for sport was the norm. I learned to be a pretty good shot and to use common sense as far as safety is concerned. Reading THR for many years, I have learned firearm etiquette.

    The nearest formal range we have to our house is over 60 miles away, so when I say we went to the range, I mean we went out to an open field (A failed natural gas drilling site) that everyone in town knows about that has a great big berm at one end and a cliff at the other. It is about 120yds long and 75yards wide. We shoot at whatever distance the first guy set up at, so as not to shoot with people in front of you, even if they are to the side of you.

    High power rifles make it hard to shoot the little .22s, because they always set up at 100 yds. I know I do too. So when we got to that range last night, we just turned around, because they were set up at 100 yds sighting in their hunting rifles. Luckily shorter ranges are easy to find.

    I wish they would build a real range, that I could become a member, and have some formal instruction, so I know how to teach my kids the "Right way" right off the bat. I would like to get my daughter into something organized too. I bet she would really do well.

    Mike!
     
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    The day worked out good! Got your "60" running right and had your daughter show she knows how to "run it". Couldn't ask for more!

    Next time you go to shoot...and the others are set up at 100 yds. ...why not just set your targets at a closer position? You'll still be next to the other shooters, its just that your target is closer to the line.

    Remember! Just go ...don't let the little problems stop you. Those shooting times with your kids are too few and time passes too quickly. Get your trips in while you can. My kids loved it and now I'm taking my grandchildren! They get in extras because their dads make sure I'm not the only one they go with! :D
     
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    It isn't that we couldn't do that, but the flat drill site we go to is covered in shale rock, so I fear a ricochet from the .22 off of one of those hard flat rocks.

    It was just easier to turn around and find another spot. There are lots of places to shoot at 25 yards. It's the 100 yds and farther spots that are harder to find. Within 2 or three minutes of turning around we had already found another safe spot with a good berm to shoot into with thick woods going uphill behind that.

    I know that the time is flying with my daughter. It seems like just yesterday I was being handed her by the Dr after she popped out. She'll be 10 next month. Where did the time go?

    Mike!
     
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    i fixed my FTF issue today. 1 hour worth of cleaning, did the nickle gauge fix on the ejector spring, loosened the front action screws and used CCI ammo

    i did use bulk Winchester 555 ammo and got FTF. switched to CCI ammo and cycled all 15 rounds flawlessly.

    try it!

    i finally had fun today with my Marlin 60's

    3 of the marlin 60's were eating up the Winchester bulk ammo and the 4th Marlin 60 was being picky and used the CCI ammo.

    Range videos

    UMP using Marlin 60
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUogIQGNm1M

    Dragunov SVD using Marlin 60
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmzQ-gFptfs

    Tavor TAR21 using Marlin 60
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIZqlInd5I

    Archangel M1A using Ruger 10/22
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRqA8VlonU

    ACR using Marlin 795
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qyo35d_iVw

    Archangel Sparta using Ruger 10/22
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZcAwtVtiLc

    M60E4 using Marlin 60
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcHWVfIdh0
     
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    Fiveinadime nailed it! I own multiple M60's and although I'm not certain how that spring manages to get displaced, I do know that it does cause this type of malfunction. Does the bolt lock open on the last shot? If it doesn't then that is another indication of the above cause.

    I think that spring gets displaced during cleaning.


    GS
     
  17. mickeydim468

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    Defcon,

    Nice stuff! Thanks for the vids.

    Mike!
     
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    Kudos to you FiveInADime!! Well done.
     
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