Marylanders, possible bad news!

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chaim

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I hate to pass on a rumor, but if this one is true it is bad. Terrible for Maryland Taurus fans, but also bad for the rest of us since one less gun brand on the market means more demand for everything else and potential price increases for MD gun buyers. Hopefully someone with more information could either confirm or (hopefully) kill this rumor.

I was calling a local gunshop, one that is supposed to be pretty trustworthy, to get some gun quotes and I was told that Taurus will no longer be shipping their guns with fired shell casings and thus they will no longer be MD legal. I tried to call a second gunshop for confirmation and they hadn't heard, but their reaction didn't engender confidence as they were pretty clueless ("they can't do that because without the casing they wouldn't be MD legal", like that actually means they "can't do that" :rolleyes: ).

I guess it is possible. Some makers (like Ruger and I think S&W) lessen administrative costs by simply providing the casing to everyone. Others keep track of the guns that will be shipped to distributors dealing with MD and NY dealers and only send casings with those guns (like Taurus). It is possible that they've decided that it isn't worth keeping track of those guns anymore and it may be too expensive to switch over to sending out casings (and keeping a database of the info) for all guns sold in the US.

I hope this rumor isn't true. Hopefully, someone here will know more one way or the other. If it is true I have some quick gun buying to do (it will definately change the order I plan to buy my next few guns since I'll need the .41mag Tracker, thhe .32mag 731, possibly a 2" 94, the PT745, and PT911 ASAP while distributors still have them with the casing).

BTW- the gun shop called me back and told me that their distributor only has one .41mag Tracker with the casing left. Unfortunately, they are actually asking a few bucks over MSRP so I guess I'll pass (I'll check with some other dealers and if I have to I'll wait until I see one used online).
 
Former Md'r, moved last July to Greensboro, NC. Which stores?, I used to live in Pasadena (grew up in Elkridge-before Rouse started Columbia- Graduated from Howard High). Tracy
 
No kidding, Pasadena huh? Where exactly. Lived 25 years there. Went to school at St. Phillip Neri and Martin Spalding.

Umm sorry for the hijack, if the Rumor is true it does suck.


Chris
 
Former Md'r, moved last July to Greensboro, NC. Which stores?, I used to live in Pasadena (grew up in Elkridge-before Rouse started Columbia- Graduated from Howard High). Tracy
I grew up less than a mile away from Howard High, but I'm post Columbia. Graduated from WLHS (high school was a LONG time ago though).

Anyway, the store that told me this was The Armory which is a new store (a bit over 1yr old) in Annapolis. The store I called where they were pretty clueless (the attitude was 'it can't be true since that would make them illegal in MD') was On Target.
 
Stupid question, I guess, but couldn't the gunshop order Tauri (or any other non-complient weapon), fire a round, and provide the case to the state police, (or whereverinell it goes)?

Would keep manufacturers from having to sort out "special" lots.
 
Stupid question, I guess, but couldn't the gunshop order Tauri (or any other non-complient weapon), fire a round, and provide the case to the state police, (or whereverinell it goes)?
Nope, MD law specifically requires that it be a shell casing fired by the factory. When the law first went into effect the state police had a system set up for guns sent from the factory without a shell casing. A few retired state police officers were certified by the state police and they used state police firing ranges, to obtain a fired shell casing from each gun not sent with a casing from the factory. It added about $10 to the price of the gun as a fee for the guy shooting the gun. It didn't last long though because the heavily Democrat state legislature had to close that "loophole" and now only guns with shell casings from the factory are legal.
 
I don't think that Maryland is the only state in the Union to require fired cases. Direct contact with Taurus would give you a more accurate answer.

When are you going to get out of there and move to a more gun friendly state like Pennsylvania?
 
I don't think that Maryland is the only state in the Union to require fired cases.
The only other one I know about is NY.

When are you going to get out of there and move to a more gun friendly state like Pennsylvania?

Probably not for a few years (though I'd love to live in Pittsburgh PA or Richmond VA). It is looking less like I'll be going to grad school after all, at least not right now (my grades in my major dropped my last two years of college while most of my others stayed high making it hard to get into grad school in the same field as my major). I may need to make a change. If I do go to grad school then I'm stuck where I get in for 2-3 years (it may be local, but I've applied/am applying to schools in VA, PA and MN too). If I don't get in and have to do more undergrad (I'll either take a few undergrad courses and then go for a masters in social work or I'll go to nursing school) I'll actually have to live with my parents to afford it since it is harder to get financial aid for a second bachelors degree and impossible if not going for a degree and just taking some coursework. If it ends up being nursing school I'll be here for at least 2 1/2 years (if I do it at a community college for an associates- 2 years of clinical coursework and a few nursing pre-reqs I didn't take) and possibly 3 years if I take a second bachelors degree. The quickest way (since I have a bachelors degree) are 18mo accelerated programs for people getting a second bachelors degree in nursing but those would make working impossible and I can't afford 18mo without work (maybe if I sold my guns but no way).

In the meantime I'm dating someone now who lives here so I'm not sure I'd want to go to PA right now even if I could. If things work out (I'd say about a 50/50 chance) I'll end up needing to consider if she wants to leave MD or not before I can go too.

Anyway, I'm now getting way off topic, so...

It will likely be a little while before I can leave MD.
 
I moved out of Maryland a few years ago, after living there over 40 years! Its going downhill fast!

MD spends about 2.5 MILLION a year on their balistic database and have not had ONE crime prosecuted (much less solved) because of the database. What a waste of funding, not to mention the time of the police lab folks who could be doing USEFULL things!
 
A silly question: what does requiring the factory (or anyone, for that matter) to provide spent brass along with a new firearm accomplish?

Short answer: nothing, except millions in spent taxpayer money to support the system, and headaches for manufacturers, gun shops, and consumers.

Long answer: MD has a "ballistic fingerprinting" system, wherein spent cases found at a crime scene could theoretically be traced back to the gun/owner from whence it was fired. In reality, that doesn't work for myriad practical reasons.
 
Keep in mind that according to Maryland law, a NEW gun is one that is shipped into the state FROM THE FACTORY. If you order a Taurus from a distributor or an out-of-state Gonne Shoppe, it is USED according to MD law, and the fired casing is not required.

No need to panic yet, most likely.

- Chris
 
MD spends about 2.5 MILLION a year on their balistic database and have not had ONE crime prosecuted (much less solved) because of the database.
If you add all the successes enjoyed by the New York system I believe the number remains the same.

When I was in NY one needed a permit just to buy a pistol to rathole in a safe. Taurus could probably lose all its NY sales and not notice. I would've guessed they'd want to keep MD, though.

Interesting if this turns out to be substantiated.
 
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