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I am rebarreling a remington 700 in 7mm mag. I want maximum accuracy with 175-180 grain bullets, long range accuracy is key so help me out with a manufacturer, tube length, and twist rate. I would prefer stainless
 
Just curious - wouldn't the information be better directly from the barrel makers themselves? There's only a handful in the states that make barrels in a big way anyhow, I'd trust their opinions, at least in conjunction with perhaps some of the match shooters here.
 
Do you have a quality smithy picked out? Check out krieger, douglas or lilja sites. Those sites can help with twist rates and barrel profiles and lenghts offered. Are you still going to hunt with your rifle or long range bench only. Standard quality barrels can be finished to 27" ,shipped at 28"+ You may want a 1-9 twist for the 180gr bullets. krieger can fit a barrel to your action for you. Given the time . Custom lenght can be done to for longer barrels if a full on bench rifle.
More info needed on use.
A great barrel and average smthy can make for a junk rifle too. If you have a great gun smith listen to his advise.
 
CYANIDEGENOCIDE said:
I am rebarreling a remington 700 in 7mm mag. I want maximum accuracy with 175-180 grain bullets, long range accuracy is key so help me out with a manufacturer, tube length, and twist rate. I would prefer stainless
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I re-barreled my Remington 700 VSF in .22-250 with an un-fluted, Lilja 3-groove barrel after several seasons of heavy prairie dog hunting finally smoked the factory barrel. I had it fitted with a muzzlebrake to keep my sight picture after the shot and had the gunsmith put a snake skin finish on it. I have gotten superb accuracy out of it using my handloads. 100 yard 3-shot groups are in the .1" range, and 4-shot groups are in the .2" range.

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Obviously, your twist and barrel length will be specific to your caliber, but I suggest you do what I did and call whoever you choose and speak to them about what you want to get. Naturally, they 1) have a ton of experience and customer feedback oat works and what doesn't work and 2) they have a vested interest in seeing you get the best accuracy possible. Your gun is their advertisement, for better or for worse. They prefer "better."
 
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We often see expressions like "match grade" or "competition" grade attached firearms and their parts, especially barrels.
What does "match grade" actually mean? What kind of match is being referred to? Bench Rest? High Power? Palma? Three Gun? 300 Meter?
If a word can mean all of those things, it doesn't mean anything.
Shilen, Douglas, Lilja, Kreiger.....they all work.
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Well, find one that does cut rifling. I have a Satern, I love it, but you CANNOT get those people to return calls or messages. I had to just cut ties with them. They make a phenomenal barrel, but waiting 6 months and STILL not getting an answer as to whether or not they can even make it doesn't inspire confidence in the company as a whole. I'm glad I have the barrel I have, but I won't be replacing it (sadly) with another Satern.

Lijla, they make cut rifle barrels, right? Anyway, I'm in the boat with you now so I'll be watching this. I already know of the ones listed on here, Douglas, Krieger, Lijla, etc., but I'm curious to know of the Satern type shops, small mom and pops that make phenomenal hand made cut rifle barrels.

Some say a good button barrels is just as good, and I've read pages about it, but it always come down to the cut rifling being the best bet, and to be honest, my cut rifled Satern is the most accurate AR barrel I've ever used. 6.5G, 20", sub-MOA using 100gr. AMAX handloads. I have nothing else that comes close, it is even way more accurate than my .300winmag 700 PSS bolt gun was.
 
Pete D. said:
We often see expressions like "match grade" or "competition" grade attached firearms and their parts, especially barrels.
What does "match grade" actually mean? What kind of match is being referred to? Bench Rest? High Power? Palma? Three Gun? 300 Meter?
If a word can mean all of those things, it doesn't mean anything.
Shilen, Douglas, Lilja, Kreiger.....they all work.
Pete
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I think it has to do with tolerances and materials. A Palma match BLANK may be just as good as a Benchrest one --how you cut it determines what match it will be used for. I suppose it is misleading, and cheaper companies use it simply to differentiate between their low level junk and high level junk --Oly for instance.

But yeah, if you get a good barrel cut to your specs from one of the good makers, I suppose it IS a match barrel to you. All I can say is that cut rifling goes a long way towards super tight groups. I'm a convert when possible.
 
I say match barrel just to differentiate from a stock remington barrel and specify I want a little more quality. I realize I can call manufacturers and they will suggest what they think is best, but I was hoping to get some opinions on what brands and types have worked for other guys. At present I am considering just sending the barreled receiver to Hart and just let them do the install and true the action and bolt. This isn't a hunting rifle just for ringing steel at distance.
 
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Lijla, they make cut rifle barrels, right? Anyway, I'm in the boat with you now so I'll be watching this. I already know of the ones listed on here, Douglas, Krieger, Lijla, etc., but I'm curious to know of the Satern type shops, small mom and pops that make phenomenal hand made cut rifle barrels.
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Lilja actually usues button rifling, but they compeltely stress relieve their barrels in a vaccum furnace after rifing to put them back to unstressed state. Obviously, it works. I have had no unusual POI drift using their barrel, nor has more buddy who suggested them to me. Cut rifling is also excellent because it doesn't intoduce stress in the first place, though it is a slower process and takes a relatively long time to generate a single barrel.

I own aftermarket "match grade" barrels from Lilja, Kreiger an Shilen in various clibers. Rght now, the Lilja is producing the best accuracy, but that doesn't mean that other samples bought on a different day from the same three manufacturers wouldn't change that order.
 
lots of good options out there. in addition to the ones previously mentioned,

bartlein is my current favorite

i have a very good broughton barrel,and another friend with an amazing one, but i won't own another due to unnecessary drama in their business. (in fact, i'd say these two are teh best two barrels i've ever seen for shooting tiny groups)

brux is making some noise and worth checking out too
 
cyanidegenocide Sounds like you have a plan. Just remember you will want a heavier profile and may need some still with good skills to open up your stock and bed it in.

My rifle is a ruger 77mkII 7mm rem mag with a 27" finished lenght barrel with 9.5 twist. I have hand loaded for it 15 years ago some ,162gr loads match kings but hunt with 139gr moly factory loads. It will shoot 2" at 400 yards with factory ammo.The hand loads will shoot 1" at that same 400 yards. Better to let a barrel maker install and chamber your rifle for most of uw. My smithy passed away last year and worked out of his basement.
 
I have two Winchester's re barreled with Hart Match Grade barrels.....257 and 300 ...both Weatherby chambered...Great barrels and all stainless..I even put the original boss system back on...
 
I'm assuming that you are going to have a gunsmith do this for you. Are you considering having the action trued? One thing should lead to another.
Action truing, trigger work, pillar bedding, maybe oversize reciol lug, and your new barrel.

I'm going through the same thing myself at this point in time. It's quite a lot of money, but life is too short not to have a least one extremely accurate rifle. I have many factory rifles that are very accurate, but I am expecting much more from this new one. Cleaning should be much easier also
 
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