Mauser C-96 Gunshow pickup question!

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I just picked up a Mauser C96 at a Gunshow and I was wondering if I could get some history on it! Thanks:)

It says KFA ALT GA C-96 7.63 GER on the left side of the pistol and it also has the Mauser logo on the same side.

On the right side it says Waffenfabrik Mauser Oberdorf A.Neckar

The serial number is 8xxxxx!

Thanks a lot!
 
The "Atlanta, GA" mark is required by law to show the importer (I don't know who "KFA" is or was). 7.63 Mauser (U.S. - .30 Mauser) is the cartridge. It is dimensionally the same as 7.62x25, but many people contend that at least some 7.62x25 loads are too hot for the Mauser.

Can you provide good pictures of both sides, showing the EXACT marking on the side? Your post as is indicates a misspelling, and that could mean the pistol is counterfeit.

The 800,000 serial number range should be for a Model 1930, a minor modifcation of the C96, but again we need more information or, better, good pictures.

Jim
 
Sorry! I did make a mistake.

Ok, 2 pictures are the 2 sides of the gun. 1 is the top with a marking on the barrel and 1 is a marking that is on the slide of the gun.

Thanks a lot!
 

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I've seen...

a good many Chinese copies of the C96.
I'd say this ain't one of them.

PRD1 - mhb - Mike
 
Wow! Thanks! I was told it may have been a Chinese mauser so I didn't pay too much for it:)
 
Keng's did import many firearms from the PRC. This might have been one of the early ones that the Nationalist Chinese imported from Germany, before they started making domestic copies.

Back in my youth, I got one for $50, but it was missing it's firing pin and wasn't in any condition close to yours...I bought it as a wall hanger
 
I would say that it is a real Mauser C96. The Chinese government imported many thousands of these after WWI. Yours looks to be in much better shape than most of the ones that came into this country in the 80's and 90's. I have a couple of them that are more typical of those I have seen....no finish and the rifling in the barrel is just a distant memory.

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I have a KFS Atl GA imported C96. Those barrels with worn out rifling will actually shoot very well IF you find a bullet diameter that fits and handload your own cartridges. I got this 25 yard group, standing position, by reloading using .312" 90gr jacketed bullets intended for reloading .32 H&R Mag. I did replace the hammer spring and bolt return spring in mine with a Wolff spring set before beginning extensive shooting.
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Close up, mine is in as rough shape as some of the above close ups. And like the OP's gun mine has the crown over U proof marks. Those are new repro grips.
 
Hi, Ikokomo,

Your Mauser is real, not a Chinese or Asian copy, and all the markings are correct. It is what collectors call the "1930 transitional"; they are not rare but somewhat uncommon. One source indicates most went to China. Most were in the 700,000 block and some collectors assumed that the cut-off point for the true 1930 was 800k; yours indicates the cut-off was higher.

IMHO, you did well on that gun, and I would not try to revamp or "improve" it by lining the barrel, refinishing it, or anything like that. It is in quite good shape, leave it that way.

Jim
 
Gotcha! Thanks! I was not planning on doing anything to it! Except take it to a range and try it out soon:)

Out of curiosity! What is the value of this weapon?
 
Well, the value to you is what you paid for it. I simply can't set a value; I Googled "Mauser 1930 transitional" and looked at some sale prices and they are all over the lot, from $200 or so to a couple of thousand. But yours is not in the upper range; it is not in the best condition. Anyway, take a look. There is one very nice one with a lot of information on those guns that I think you will enjoy.

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/History Book/1556C96Rig.htm

Jim
 
Sweet! Thanks a lot! I liked that website! Thanks for all the help from all of you!
 
I really wanted one of the Chinese made .45ACP 96 types, but by the time I had enough to pay what the first ones came in for everybody else wanted one as well.

I admit it, I was a big fan of Mike Grell's "Jon Sable, Freelance" from Dark Horse Comics at the time. But also working in a book store in a college town making squat.

Thought long and hard about a Chinese purchased C96 with a thought of shipping it off to Oyster Bay for a barrel lining and new springs, polish and refinish.....unfortunately things like food, lodging, and transportation cost continued to get in the way.

The few I have shot were fun and if I had been told to go off and defend the Empire before WWI, I might have wanted one for sitting on my horse along rail way lines discussing politics and religion with the locals with. Don't tell Mother.

-kBob
 
That is a nice specimen. It is a model 1930, which was the last of the run for the c96's. The Mauser C96 has the distinction of being the first commercially successful self loading pistol in the world. There were other attempts at self loading pistols, such as the borchardt, but they were not practical. The Mauser, although somewhat unwieldy itself did attain a commercial success. If anything it's got to be perhaps one of the most intimidating looking pistols ever made!

Although it was successful, it was never as popular as some of the competitors which were developed shortly thereafter. I beleive Mauser made over 50 changes to the pistol during its production in order to improve sales. Many of the changes were to reduce weight or simplify production.

After WWI Germany was restricted on the length they could manufacture pistol barrels. I beleive this was 100 mm, or about 4". This eliminated production of the standard C96, however short barreled models and the Bolos were OK.

The model 1930 was one of Germany's rebellious acts around the treaty of Versailles, an so Mauser decided that barrels could be measured at the end of the chamber rather than at the breech, thus the almost original barrel length on the 1930. There were some other minor changes, such as the different looking safety, and no longer was every part stamped with the serial number, however the larger parts did retain numbers.

Unfortunately by the 1930's the C96 sales just couldn't keep up with more modern weapons, and in 1934 Mauser discontinued production.

I think yours is in very nice condition, the finish is all original. I have a 1930, it's in pretty good shape, but has been refinished but shoots well. I had it rehired to 9mm. This will reduce collectors value but I wanted to shoot it. They are very accurate pistols, albeit a bit uncomfortable to shoot. Those frankenlugs at the back kind of bite. If you choose to shoot it, be kind to it, and don't run surplus Russian machine gun ammo through it or tokarov ammo. It's too hot. The Mauser cartridge is fairly mild. One of the weal parts on this pistol is the bolt stop. Parts are hard to find.

If you can find one, one of the better books is called The Mauser Self Loading Pistol by Belford and Dunlap. The book is out of print now, so they've gotten expensive, but they've got some very nice photos and information.

Congrats.
 
Oh, there was one in the lgs that was in about the same condition as yours, maybe a bit worse for wear, it was going for $2000.

I paid about $200 for mine about 20 years ago when a flood of them came into the country.
 
I will be using this ammo (Prvi Partizan PPU 7.63 Mauser 85grn) and I got 2 boxes pretty cheap:)
 
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