*Maybe* a CCW self defense incident caught on tape!?

[Jim March]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8613431240341347407&q=bmw+hicks&hl=en

Some say it's fake...me...dang, I'm not sure, I think it might just be real!

Fascinating six minutes of video.

 

[Tim Burke]

Self-defense?

Maybe.
Then again, the DA might look at that clip and say it was an armed robbery.

 

[Jim March]

The couple in the beemer gathered evidence of a much more serious crime in progress than camera theft.

Would YOU convict them of camera theft, if you were on the jury?

 

[loki.fish]

That video is everywhere, lol.

 

[ilbob]

IMO, fake.

 

[XavierBreath]

Fake or not, it is idiotic to send your girlfriend over to get the camera. That was a hostage taking waiting to happen. You cannot cover two people separated that far apart with a handgun. The one not covered would simply take cover or run like a jack rabbit.

I'm calling BS on this one. Nice try, but no cigar.

 

[louisdove]

FAKE!!!!!......imo. Too rehearsed and those hillbillies definatly were not scared enough for when there is a pistol pointed at you.

 

[Tim Burke]

I'm not convinced it's real, either, but, FTSOA:

Would YOU convict them of camera theft, if you were on the jury?

Absolutely not, but I'm not the DA. Even if he is acquited, he still loses if he's charged. Does anyone doubt that there are some DAs that would look for the opportunity to make the guy with the gun the bad guy? I doubt the guy in the Beemer reported this to the police. So, if the hicks report that they were robbed at gunpoint by the yuppie, how will this play out?
My advice: if you need to use a gun defensively, do it by the book. Even if the guy was attempting an armed robbery, you can't rob him. In any case, you need to be the first one to report it to the authorities.

 

[Lupinus]

assuming it is real, can we say theft?

all in all though, I'd say either staged or a lot of stupidity, by the guy with the gun for both taking the camera and they way he took it. Not saying they don't deserve it (and the keys in the sewer bit was funny) but not smart legally.

 

[porterdog]

That made me really uncomfortable.

 

[Sindawe]

Its not a wise move to mess around with strangers.

Tim is right though, if your in such a mess you need to be the ones to call it on FIRST. I have to wonder why the driver did not contact local police when he realized he was being followed in an aggressive fashion. After the first verbal exchange, I'd be on the phone right quick.

Stil, interesting video.

 

[LaVere]

It was a very interesting tape fake or not. To me it shows what persons should NOT do that is the two pick up truck people did. With a video tape in BMW posission, Buba Sr with baseball bat, out numbered two man to one, many threats, threat with his truck, dead end street and possible truck blocking exit, one more step forward I call it eminet threat of death and a good shoot.


Of course every one will have their own opionion, this was mine.

 

[Jim March]

No guarantee he (or his GF) had a cellphone, or that it was on him at the time, or that the battery was charged...

Yes, I agree that CCW and a cellphone go together like peanut butter and jelly . But it doesn't always work out that way.

 

[jeepmor]

Fake or not, still raises your neck hair.

Sounds like the Canucks to the North, eh?

It may have been staged, or not, but stealing the camera at gunpoint is armed robbery isn't it? I would have taken the keys, dumped them 1 mile down the road and beat cheeks out of there.

I feel that when this fella pulled a gun, it was in response to the bat, the dead end road, and several minutes of harassment. But the camera did not catch the timing exactly, but did make a point to witness the bat being pulled out of the back of the truck. I'm not certain a shoot would have been justified, but the gun looks like it was the key to the Bimmer folks getting away unharmed. I had an experience like this once and simply outdrove the antagonist on a windy road. Trucks don't corner like cars, thank goodness, because I didn't have a gun.

All that for simply being cutoff. Not a way to be remembered should things have gotten ugly and big suspenders guy thought the bat would overcome the revolver. Sending girl to get camera bad, hindsight, put camera on the hood and back away. Tape the two perps, get the license plate in there, then drop it off at the sherriff's office. Still might be armed robbery though, you would be taking said tape at gunpoint, bad juju in LEO eyes, and on the tape....erase that first.

jeepmor

 

[Jim March]

The guy with the bat was inside 21ft of the gunman. The gunman had every right to fire right then in most states.

One KEY mistake by the gunman: he let the bat-boy continue holding the bat, although it was drooping. He would have gotten a firm and calm "drop...that...bat...final...warning" from me while I sighted in on his eyeball. And I'd have meant it, AND taken both bat and camera to a police station for fingerprinting.

After copying the tape .

 

[Taurus 66]

The driver of the BMW wasn't helping to disarm the situation when he was giving the finger. It's a gesture that can get any road rager's blood boiling (we'll call the driver of the truck the road rager). When the driver of the BMW was confronted on that turn, this is where he had the opportunity to try and end it with, "I apologize for not using the turn signal .....", but all too often egos get in the way of rational thinking and a situation can quickly escalate from bad to worse.

Taking the camera at gun point is armed robbery. That was not a smart move. Then he has the nerve to put it on the internet? If this is for real, he's looking at possibly facing arrest in the near future.

 

[Jeff F]

Any one think maybe the BMW driver knew that was a dead end road out away from town. I think taking the camera turned it into armed robbery. Not smart posting on internet.

 

[Zundfolge]

If this is for real, he's looking at possibly facing arrest in the near future.

Which is why I believe its fake.

Funny, but fake.


When the scene ended up at the dead end road EVERYONE was WAY too calm, and the guy who started out with the camera was still filming the scene ... you point a gun at me or my friend and I'm at the very least going to put the camera down.

Fake or not, there is a lesson here; don't screw with people.


So I wonder what gives some people the idea to do these kinds of videos.

 

[MAURICE]

Fake or not is debatable.
What if he took the camera and turned it into the police as evidence of an aggravated assault? That is exactly the crime the hick in suspenders committed.

The gun being pulled itself, I think it is justified. Come at me with a ballbat and I would do the same.

 

[oregonshooter]

Fake.

But good training film anyway. Shows a lot of mistakes.

 

[Sistema1927]

Fake, and not even funny.

 

[Jim March]

We oughta do a poll. Some say "armed robbery". I say "settled out of court for infliction of emotional stress".



Then again, I gotta say, I just hate bullies. Can't stand 'em.

 

[Brass Balls]

FAKE IMO


When someone is carrying lethal force they shouldn't be mouthing off and flipping the bird.


Would you view it differently if the Bimmer driver had initially apologized for not using his signal then again tried to diffuse the situation when they were at the stoplight? I would.

 

[FilJos]

Fake.

 

[Vairochana]

Whether or not it is fake...

Having been in that situation I can appreciate the action- the truck guys precipitated and continued the aggression- If I were the Beemer guy I would have been in fear of my likf or at least a beating- also how was he to know there wasn't a truck gun as well as a bat?