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Mayors Attend Gun Summit
Menino, Bloomberg Criticize Federal Government

POSTED: 11:20 am EDT April 25, 2006
UPDATED: 11:26 am EDT April 25, 2006

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8985292/detail.html

Couple quotes from the article I find disturbing.

Bloomberg has zeroed in on gun control as a priority for his second term.
Poor New Yorkers

Menino told the story of meeting recently with a sixth grade class in Boston in which nine out of 10 pupils said they knew where they could find a gun.

Misleading at best outright lie at worst. If my kid knows where my gun safe is and that guns are in it but has no access to them, does that qualify him as a kid that knows where a gun could be found?
 
Bloomberg on CNN, just said he's in favor of the Second Amendment and "hunting, but says "Guns don't belong on the streets of our cities."

:rolleyes:

It's the same old song from the same old socialist animals.
 
NSSF has asked for a seat at the table to show all of the programs the firearms industry has in place. No word yet on whether this is intented to address crime and safety or is just a tyrrants' organizational meeting.:rolleyes:
 
I agree. I don't want guns in the hands of violent criminals on the streets of our cities, either. I don't want pencils in their hands. I don't want callouses on their hands. I want their hands to be grasping the bars of their small cells as they contemplate the meaning of "life sentence."

How, exactly, do these mayors expect to get the guns out of their hands without actually doing something about the criminals themselves?
 
Bloomberg on CNN, just said he's in favor of the Second Amendment and "hunting, but says "Guns don't belong on the streets of our cities."

It's amazing that these guys think that "The Second Amendment" has anything at all to do with hunting! I'd like to see someone call them the next time they make an idiotic staement like this, but I guess with the press being what it is, that'll never happen. :mad:
 
Menino told the story of meeting recently with a sixth grade class in Boston in which nine out of 10 pupils said they knew where they could find a gun.

In other news, a recent study finds that 9 out of 10 sixth grade pupils are susceptible to peer pressure and making exaggerated statements to impress their friends.
 
Menino needs to just shut his mouth. Boston is getting so bad all of a sudden because criminals KNOW they're unchallenged. There's been ten robberies in a row ON Boston Common, and even police noticing groups of "suspicious people" around, glaring at people walking in main thoroughfares and being aggressive at them.

What're said citizens going to do? They definitely aren't armed, so the criminals can do what they like. Citizens even need a CCW to carry PEPPER SPRAY, there.

And thus is a disarmed state, quickly becoming dangerous for all but the criminal element.

Meanwhile, the most serious news in "lax gun laws" NH cities like Manchester tends to be raids of underage drinking parties, not violent crimes. Seems the police have TIME to go after little things like that, because people aren't getting beat up on the streets.

Funny thing, that.
 
Actually, I happen to know where I can get a whole bunch of F/A-18 Hornets, a couple of nuclear carriers, some Naval submarines, and a good number of nuclear weapons.

So do most 6th graders in the school by my house. All of the stuff is right around here... I can see it all if I take a short walk from my house to the other side of the hill.

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http://www.nbc.navy.mil/index.asp?fuseaction=NBCInstallations.NASNI

Knowing "where I can get something" doesn't mean I can get it!:rolleyes:
 
The crybaby Seattle Mayor, Greg Nickels, will be there. There has been a number of shootings in the Seattle area recently with some deaths so Mayor Nickels is trying to get all the face time he can to promote his anti-gun stand.

Unfortunately, the local police agencies have recently uncovered a number of school kids that were planning Columbine-style attacks on their schools and the police have arrested them. No guns were found, just the plans and the comments on blogs.

These kinds of things get the liberal Dims frothing at the mouth and the TV stations always give them enough time to whine about how illegal guns are going to promote violence.
 
summit outcome: expand and reconvene

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/26/at_gun_summit_mayors_vow_vigilance?mode=PF

(interesting parts highlighted below)

At gun summit, mayors vow vigilance
Menino one of 15 leaders pledging to work together
By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | April 26, 2006

NEW YORK -- Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston joined 14 other big-city mayors at a gun summit yesterday, all pledging to create regional intelligence databases to track illegal guns, launch a website to share information and antiviolence strategies, and put together a plan to lobby officials in Washington for stricter gun laws.

The mayors said they plan to reconvene later this year with an expanded group of 50 mayors. Yesterday's meeting included mayors from Washington, D.C., Providence, Hartford, Dallas, and Seattle, among other cities. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York City, who cohosted the event with Menino at Manhattan's historic Gracie Mansion, said mayors from Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Durham, N.C., also expressed interest in attending meetings.

''Gun violence is a national problem that needs a national response," Menino said. ''If the White House isn't going to do it and Congress isn't going to do it, the mayors have to do it."

Menino said in 12 years as mayor he has not seen a similar movement by big city leaders to take on the gun industry and stiffen federal gun laws. He said Boston's murder tally last year was the highest in a decade and he expressed concern about a 67 percent increase in shootings so far this year. Bloomberg said he was moved to action in part by the back-to-back killings late last year of two New York City police officers. He said it is clear there's a need for national leadership given that 82 percent of guns used to commit crimes in New York City are purchased out of state, where laws are less restrictive.

None of the mayors from states where Menino has said many guns come from -- including Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Alabama -- were present at yesterday's summit, though Menino said he hopes they will attend in the future. He said many mayors had scheduling conflicts with yesterday's meeting.

Menino said the mayors intend to travel to Washington with a message about the relationship between gun laws and the thousands of Americans who die at the hands of firearms annually.

''Thirty-thousand individuals are killed every year through gun violence," Menino said at a press conference after the four-hour closed session. ''Think about where we are in this country on the issue of the war and how people are outraged by that. Why aren't Americans outraged by 30,000 Americans killed by guns each year in America?"

Bloomberg also criticized new legislation being considered that would further restrict the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives from keeping extensive records and sharing information with local police departments. He said 1 percent of gun dealers supply 60 percent of guns used in crimes.

Lawrence G. Keane, a senior vice president at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a Connecticut-based trade association, said his organization runs a program that helps gun dealers identify and stop illegal ''straw purchasers," people who buy guns legally with the intention of selling them illegally. Keane said his group asked to attend the gun summit and was turned away, which he found especially disturbing because the mayors invited gun control advocate Joshua Horwitz of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

There doesn't appear to have been any attempt to have a mature and balanced discussion," Keane said.

A study, released Monday and conducted by researchers from the University of Toledo, Kent State University, and Wayne State University, shows police chiefs across the country also support tougher gun-control measures. (K-Rom: is this the April 2006 self-reporting mailed survey, where a third of recipients did NOT return their forms, only sent to 600 selected police chiefs in cities over 25K pop., and the questions were maddeningly vague? See http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0749-3797/PIIS0749379705005179.pdf )

Ninety-four percent of police chiefs support background checks for all handgun purchases; 83 percent want all new handguns equipped with trigger locks; and 82 percent want tamper-resistant serial numbers added to firearms, the study said. (K-rom: yep, that seems like the same study)

Menino said the mayors tried to learn from one another. Menino said Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly of New York spoke about the use of cameras to fight crime in certain areas, a tactic Menino said he would like to see expanded in Boston. In New York, officers watch and move cameras remotely with laptop computers in their cars.

''We're working right now on more cameras for our city," Menino said, citing Roxbury, Mattapan, and Dorchester as three neighborhoods he is targeting for more cameras. ''They're going to places we need them most in the city."

As the mayors came to the podium to share stories about innocent children killed by stray gunfire, the day's theme became clear: America's mayors are on the front lines.

Trenton Mayor Douglas H. Palmer recalled telling a mother her 7-year-old daughter had been shot in the face by stray gunfire in a gang dispute.

''I had to call that mother that night, and believe me, it wasn't pleasant," Palmer said. ''Maybe some of the people in Congress who feel so far removed from this issue and listen to other lobbying groups need to come with us mayors as we make calls to those families."

Pretty amazing, if you ask me. The solution to straw purchases and gun smuggling is CCTV?:confused:
 
Bunch of fookin stupid moronic mayors.

''Thirty-thousand individuals are killed every year through gun violence," Menino said at a press conference after the four-hour closed session. ''Think about where we are in this country on the issue of the war and how people are outraged by that. Why aren't Americans outraged by 30,000 Americans killed by guns each year in America?"

It's called life, for one, but what I want to know is how many of those 30,000 could have been kept alive if they had been armed also?

Not to mention that in 2004 there were just over 16,100 murders in the US, only 9500 by firearms AND with all the BS outrage over the murders of police officers....anyone care to take a guess how many non-federal police officers were murdered in 2004??????? 57!!!!!

57 cops nationwide compared to 16,000 citizens murdered in the US, and you frickin moron mayors want to make it even harder for law abiding citizens to arm and protect themselves? what constitution did you read????
 
''Thirty-thousand individuals are killed every year through gun violence," Menino said at a press conference after the four-hour closed session.

I'd like to see that broken down into how many were criminals shot during the commission of a crime, and of the innocent, how many were killed by THE SAME CRIMINAL. In other words, if the criminal had been stopped before he could commit one murder by an armed citizen, how many more of those innocents the criminal successively killed would still be alive?

But they don't like doing the math THAT way, of course.
 
the feds didn't break it down like that. what they did break down though was the actual number of murders by weapon.

Of the 30,000 deaths alluded to by menino, only 16,100+/- 100, the rest are most likely suicides.

so, of the 16,000 murders, 9,547 (not exact) were by firearms, the rest by knives, clubs, fists, feet, autos, etc. That does not have a breakdown of anything gang or drug related, but I would imagine that at least 1/3rd, or 3,200, account for it. That leaves around 6,000 to 6,500 innocent victims of murder, of which maybe half to 3/4ths might be alive IF they had uninfringed access to a defensive firearm.
 
Here in Cincinnati we have a HUGE problem with shootings and killings literally several times a week, if not daily. Yesterday, just before noon, an innocent woman was literally caught in the crossfire (and killed) while waiting at a bus stop.

Unfortunately, I have to admit that more guns (in the hands of good guys) won't help in this situation. The poor lady killed yesterday had no chance to return fire and that is the case with the other innocent victims in Cincinnati. It is bad guys killing bad guys -- with an occasional innocent caught in the cross fire.

Trying to "get guns off the street" won't help either. We need to get criminals off the street. In that regard, the people most affected by this are at fault. Virtually never does anyone come forward with information to identify the bad guys/shooters. Some who do become victims of retaliatory killings.

No answers. But I know that blaming guns is not the answer.
 
Gun violnce

is not a national problem, but is concentrated in very localized areas. The CDC tried to analyze the effectiveness of gun restrictions on violent crime rates and found (despite desperately wanting to) no effect. They admitted poverty, drugs and culture are influential. Published in MMWR in 2002 (I think). You can read and/or download the whole article.
Good luck.
 
The CDC no longer breaks out gun deaths as a separate item in their stats. The lump them into Accidental deaths which include both transportation and non-transportation deaths. You have a much greater chance of being killed by a drunk driver than a gun, accidentally or deliberately.
 
"all pledging to create regional intelligence databases to track illegal guns,"

What kind of freaking IDIOT think you can track an illigal gun? Geez the stupidity of these people appals me.

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What kind of freaking IDIOT think you can track an illigal gun?

Well if they were able to create a national ballistics database of slugs collected at crime scenes it will tell them where that gun has been and when. It may assist in prosecution of individuals involved and solve some crimes.

If a person is murdered in Boston with a particular handgun and then it is recovered in L.A. will the person with it ever be linked to the shooting in Boston? WIll Boston ever know that the gun and likely suspect they are looking for is in custody in L.A. Or will the gun go in some warehouse in L.A. never to be seen again?

One of the problems with illegal guns is that they change hands frequently. Ones they have successfully tracked turn up all over the country. Even if they can track the gun to the crime they have to establish the chain of custody to determine who pulled the trigger.

It could at least give them some really good leads if L.A. could call Boston and tell them they have the gun they were looking for and a possible suspect in custody.
 
" And those who vote against getting guns off the street really are the ones as much responsible as the shooter, because if the shooter didn't have a gun, that child would still be alive." - Mayor Bloomberg


Mayor Bloomberg, every single mayor, governor, and state legislator are just as much responsible for every single violent crime that occurs in their city, state, and/or district for violating the second amendment of the constitution and illegally disarming your constituent victims. How many of THOSE innocent victims, now dead at the hands of a murdering thug, would be alive today had YOU not made it impossible for them to defend their own lives?

Mayors Bloomberg, Daley, and Menino, How many deaths are you responsible for in your city because you don't allow guns in the hands of law abiding people to protect themselves? How many rapes are you complicit in because the victims were not allowed to own or carry a gun because of your gun control laws? How many of those crimes were committed by people who weren't following your laws and had a gun anyway?

Your victim disarmament policy is the height of irresponsibility by keeping your city and its citizens vulnerable to every criminally minded person, people who don't follow your anti gun laws to begin with.

You are just as much responsible for every violent crime committed in your city because you refuse to let your constituents defend themselves with a gun.
 
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