Mayors Attend Gun Summit

[seeker_two]

Laura Miller, the mayor of Dallas, is taking a lot of "fire" for attending this conference from local talk radio. In an interview on KLIF this morning, she stated that she was supportive of the other mayors' efforts and wants to make sure to get "illegal guns" like "assault weapons", "short-barreled shotguns", and "short rifles" are off the streets...

...apparently she's never heard of a Class III stamp...

If the mayors of all these cities want to make a statement showing that guns aren't needed for protection, why don't they publically renounce their armed protection details?

Laws for thee....not for me...

 

[DKSuddeth]

I listened to her this morning with Ankarlo. I also emailed him this morning asking, almost begging, that when he does have her on for a 30 minute segment on this gun issue, I would like to be there to prove all of her theories wrong.

 

[seeker_two]

...when he does have her on for a 30 minute segment on this gun issue, I would like to be there to prove all of her theories wrong.

I'll be listening for THAT segment...

...but we might have to spend 30 minutes correcting Ankarlo on some of his legal errors (i.e. OK to keep gun in car if unloaded...TX doesn't distinguish b/t "loaded" and "unloaded" firearms. The new "traveler" law doesn't require you to unload it... :banghead: )

BTW, John Lott is on G. Gordon Liddy's show on 990AM. The interview should repeat in an hour or two...

 

[DKSuddeth]

correcting Ankarlo on some of his legal errors

yeah, it was obvious that ankarlo didn't know the law exactly, but what I considered worse was that miller didn't know it either nor did she know what the original law was.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

lessons unlearned

" And those who vote against getting guns off the street really
are the ones as much responsible as the shooter, because if the
shooter didn't have a gun, that child would still be alive."
- Mayor Bloomberg

The gun control laws of New York City are a sick joke,
At a time when NYC had about 20,000 legal handgun permits,
the NYPD told newpaper reporters there were two million illegal
handguns in NYC. The answer of the mayor was to make legal
ownership more onerous.

These Sullivan Law-style gun laws don't take guns off the streets
or out of criminal hands. But that does not matter. Former Mayor
Ed Koch exemplified the big city mayor attitude when he declared
"You're not a nice guy if you own a gun" Things have not changed.

The NYC way is like taking illegal drugs off the streets by voiding all
prescriptions and shutting down the pharmacies. These mayors are
part of the problem. not the solution, but in Bloomberg's view you are
either with him or against him, no other point of view is acceptable.
He sees himself on the moral high ground.

The UK got a handgun ban because after the Dublane massacre by
Thomas Hamilton (nutcase and police informant), 760,000 gun control
supporters raised hell, 60,000 legal handgun owners stayed politely
quiet, and the politicians counted numbers. The UK ban has not
had a positive influence on the crime rate, but that was not the
purpose of the law: the purpose was to placate the largest and
loudest bloc of voters.

 

[wmenorr67]

I guess we can start calling Tulsa a big city. Our new mayor attended this summit. Interesting since she has only been in office a few weeks. We have had our police chief on suspension since before the election by the old mayor and the new mayor has yet to rule on bringing him back or not. She wants to deal with the budget before she does anything else. Going to get interesting around here.

 

[bg]

Bloomberg is blooming moronic & two faced. He has a
more serious agenda, and that's to try and convince
the majority that no person should have access to firearms.
Just looks at his statements. Yesterday he claims to
be a friend of the 2nd Amendment, today he thinks
anyone who has gone through the process of getting
a CCW so one can protect his/herself and possibly
ones family is wrong to do so !
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/65188.htm

Most Americans want illegal guns off their streets - and groups such as the National Rifle Association are in the minority when it comes to gun control, Mayor Bloomberg said yesterday.

"I think when you look at the numbers, when you do surveys, it's a very small number of people who actually believe that people should be carrying concealed weapons in the workplace, on the streets of our cities, in schools," Bloomberg said yesterday.

"Those kinds of extremist positions are held by very few people."

If this is so, why have more states than not, passed
laws allowing law-abiding citizens to get CCW's and at
the same time also going from may issue to shall issue
agendas ?

If anyone is out of step, it's this fellow in NY.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The mayors ought to do the math:

In 1986, the US state Right To Carry (weapons for self-defense) laws
stood thusly:
1 Unrestricted, no permit or license required (VT)
8 Shall-issue, permits issued to applicants who qualify
24 Discretionary, permits issued at discretion of authorty
17 No Right to Carry, no permit or license granted.

In 2006, the US state Right To Carry (weapons for self-defense) laws
stand thusly:
2 Unrestricted, no permit or license required (VT & AK)
37 Shall-issue, permits issued to applicants who qualify
9 Discretionary, permits issued at discretion of authorty
2 No Right to Carry, no permit or license granted (WI & IL).

Bloomberg is the extremist here, not the NRA.

 

[chas_martel]

Is it true she knows nothing about NFA tax stamps?

I so want to fax here a copy of a copy with my
Dallas address on the Form 4 and the Sheriffs sig.

I know it would be wrong from the standpoint
of getting her attention, but man to see
the look on her face. If she knew who
my family was, where we work, who we run
with and where our kids go to school
in this town and then to find we collect MG's
I bet she would **** a brick.

 

[Manedwolf]

So where's the NRA's take on this? The last update to the NRA-ILA page was April 17.

Yet I've gotten two "send us more money!" mailings from them in the last week, along with a gun-DVD-club-of-the-month offer.

Guess I see what their priorities are...

 

[Pork Fat]

Remember, most mayors see their office as a ticket-punch before bigger and better things. Add in the death lock that urban culture and issues have on the media and marketing, and you get a sense of how they develop their arrogance in assuming a role in national issues.
National media knows that fly-over America is good for some occasional down home flavor, but the country must look to the big cities for true cultural leadership. Quavering dramatic speeches demanding more money to combat the poverty warehousing problems and prop up corrupt ward-heelers are good practice for the national convention.

 

[seeker_two]

Is it true she knows nothing about NFA tax stamps?

I so want to fax here a copy of a copy with my
Dallas address on the Form 4 and the Sheriffs sig.

I know it would be wrong from the standpoint
of getting her attention, but man to see
the look on her face. If she knew who
my family was, where we work, who we run
with and where our kids go to school
in this town and then to find we collect MG's
I bet she would **** a brick.

Not sure I'd send your name & addy to her, but you could fax her a copy of the ATF regs on it and a picture of your new "procurement" with a big THANK YOU to her and the Dallas Sheriff's Office...

 

[chas_martel]

>Not sure I'd send your name & addy to her, but you could fax her a copy of >the ATF regs on it and a picture of your new "procurement" with a big THANK >YOU to her and the Dallas Sheriff's Office...


The 16 year old in me so wants to do this. Should I include a picture of
one of the kids dumping a mag?

 

[seeker_two]

The 16 year old in me so wants to do this. Should I include a picture of
one of the kids dumping a mag?

Only if you post it here, too....

 

[JohnBT]

""There are neighborhoods where if you say 'duck,' people get out of the way because they're worried they'll be shot," Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in an interview. "But there are other parts of the country where if you say 'duck,' people will grab their rifles to go duck hunting.""

- from the OP-ED column by E.J. Dionne Jr. in today's Washington Post

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. Did he really say rifles?

 

[K-Romulus]

meanwhile . . .

Judge Weinstein continues his relentless campaign against lawful firearms ownership, with the help of softball arguments courtesy of the NYC legal counsel and the Brady Campaign:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/w...0,187696,print.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

NYC's gun lawsuit evades congressional attempt to kill it

By DAVID B. CARUSO
Associated Press Writer

April 27, 2006, 8:43 PM EDT

NEW YORK -- For the fourth time, New York City's lawsuit against several gun manufacturers has survived an attempt by Congress to kill it off.

A federal judge in Brooklyn ruled Thursday that the city may have access to gun tracing information gathered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, even though a recently passed measure expressly forbids such data from being used in civil suits.

U.S. Judge Jack B. Weinstein said the new rule doesn't apply to information already in the city's possession.

The decision is a victory for the city, which intends to rely heavily on weapons tracing information to prove its claim that gun manufacturers create a public nuisance by recklessly distributing firearms.

"The court's ruling that we can use this gun trace data as evidence is great news for every police officer, parent and child that walks our streets and will help our case against irresponsible gun manufacturers," Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a written statement.

Lawrence Greenwald, an attorney for Beretta U.S.A., said the gun companies were likely to appeal.

Congress has made several attempts to kill off such suits.

In 2004, lawmakers passed a budget rider prohibiting government agencies from using federal funds to disseminate firearm licensing information to the public.

A judge said it didn't apply to New York's lawsuit because it was acting as a private plaintiff in the case, not "the public."

ATF began turning over information, then stopped when Congress passed a new rider in 2005. This one, more finely crafted, said gun tracing data would be "immune from legal process and shall not be the subject of subpoena or other discovery in any civil action."

A court said ATF still had to comply with requests pending when the rider was passed.

Last October, President Bush signed a law requiring that nearly all civil liability suits against the gun industry be immediately dismissed.

Weinstein ruled in December that the law contained exceptions that would allow New York's suit to continue.

Even before that ruling, Congress had passed another revised budget rider. This one barred any ATF tracing data from being used as evidence in a pending suit.

"Nor shall testimony or other evidence be permitted based upon such data," Congress added, for good measure.

In an opinion that turned on two possible grammatical interpretations of the phrase "such data," Weinstein said he believed it applied only to data that would be collected by ATF in the future.

Lawyers for the gun manufacturers argued that it meant that all tracing data should remain secret, except in criminal prosecutions.

"ATF and Congress has taken a position ... that this is essentially law enforcement information, intended for use in law enforcement," Greenwald said. "It is quite another thing to open it up to the whole world in a civil case."

"Weinstein said he believed it applied only to data that would be collected by ATF in the future. " Despite YEARS of legislative history? You have got to be kidding me . . .

 

[Carl N. Brown]

""There are neighborhoods where if you say 'duck,'
people get out of the way because they're worried they'll be shot,"
Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in an interview.
"But there are other parts of the country where if you say 'duck,'
people will grab their rifles to go duck hunting.""

These are the elitists who consider US ignorant rednecks!!!
None of their laws take guns off the streets, because the people
who obey the law keep their guns in cabinets, closets or racks and
don't let them run about the streets unsupervised in the first place.

 

[ScottsGT]

Unfortunately, I have to admit that more guns (in the hands of good guys) won't help in this situation. The poor lady killed yesterday had no chance to return fire and that is the case with the other innocent victims in Cincinnati. It is bad guys killing bad guys -- with an occasional innocent caught in the cross fire.

Well, think of it in another way. Maybe SHE would not have had the chance, but if bad guy know who he was shooting at had a gun, would he have ever taken the shot that killed her? Just the thoughts of another citizen carrying might keep some bozo from opening fire at someone.