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Does the MD CCW permit allow the holder to store the handgun anywhere other than concealed on his person? Because if not, this guy may be technically in violation since he had to retrieve it from his car. 
MD(!) - CCW Holder Shoots/Kills Attacker
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To my knowledge they've never printed names of those issued permits, a la West Virginia and other states. It sure looks they're setting it up as "rich businessman guns down two youths in confrontation". :banghead:
They don't print the names of other victims of violent crimes such as rape, do they? Don't see how this should be any different. I'd say that this gentleman has plenty of reason to be concerned for the safety of his family and home.
Ohen Cepel
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I hope that this goes well for the guy. However, I have so little faith left in MD that I suspect the scumbags or lawyers will get to him somehow.
The real victim in this crime lives quite near me. I e-mailed him today in support and offered to loan him a handgun if he needs one (he won't see his for at least a year). The publishing of his address is a base and cowardly act on the part of the newspaper. One of their reporters was badly beaten a few weeks ago right outside of Baltimnore City Hall. No mention of his address. The Sun is a notorious liberal rag.
Victim
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n.
1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
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vic·tim Pronunciation (vktm)
n.
1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.
carebear
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Beyond that dictionary definition (yet implied within it), "victim" in our society always implies a degree of innocence and non-culpability.
The crime in this case was robbery, the victim was the shooter. The fact that he shot an aggressor in self-defense doesn't then make that aggressor, morally or ethically, the victim of any criminal or negligent act.
It is important to make the distinction because we have a fairly recent trend in "civilized" society to make all acts of violence equally morally wrong, which is and always has been clearly not the case in any culture or society.
The crime in this case was robbery, the victim was the shooter. The fact that he shot an aggressor in self-defense doesn't then make that aggressor, morally or ethically, the victim of any criminal or negligent act.
It is important to make the distinction because we have a fairly recent trend in "civilized" society to make all acts of violence equally morally wrong, which is and always has been clearly not the case in any culture or society.
LaEscopeta
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I seem to remember the last two biz-owner-assaulted-on-their-way-to–drop-off-cash cases in the local Baltimore news ended up being inside jobs. In one case (city café owner?) was killed and robbed by his own employee whom he asked to go with him to the bank for security. The other case (Hunt Valley Burger King?) the employee tipped off his buddies, who killed and robbed the owner. If this case turns out to have an inside angle, I’m guessing the local media will keep running the story. Not a lot of originality in our news around here, seems like the press wants to just keep running the same story over and over again.
On a semi-historical note, the Sun newspaper is saying the robbery attempt victim/shooter owns the Mobile on Sission Ave. where the Beltway snipers John Mohammad and Malvoy?) were found sleeping in there car the week before they were arrested.
On a semi-historical note, the Sun newspaper is saying the robbery attempt victim/shooter owns the Mobile on Sission Ave. where the Beltway snipers John Mohammad and Malvoy?) were found sleeping in there car the week before they were arrested.
nvshooter
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Citizen 1, Criminal 0.
U.S.SFC_RET
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Maryland will issue you a CCW if you handle cash for a business, they won't issue you a CCW for your life and if they do you need 3 or 4 eye witnesses, proof, ect... to get one. Maryland values cash over your life period.
nvshooter
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So can a crack dealer get a CCW?
carebear
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Can they get 3 or 4 people to vouch they're an honest, hard-working, respectable crack dealer? 
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Mark Beckworth for Govenor.
He's already done more to reduce crime than all 
the other canidates put together!
He's already done more to reduce crime than all
the other canidates put together!deanf
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But apperently not enough security to keep 4 urban yutes bent on strong arm robbery from plying their trade.
NAMDOC
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CCW Holder Shoots/Kills Attacker
Does the MD CCW permit allow the holder to store the handgun anywhere other than concealed on his person? Because if not, this guy may be technically in violation since he had to retrieve it from his car.
<<<I thought all MA residents with a pistol permit can carry a pistol in their car in MA.... a LEO friend in Boston once told me he first automatically asks drivers he'd pulled over if they are carrying a firearm in the car....
?
Thanks,
Paul in California....>>>>
Does the MD CCW permit allow the holder to store the handgun anywhere other than concealed on his person? Because if not, this guy may be technically in violation since he had to retrieve it from his car.
<<<I thought all MA residents with a pistol permit can carry a pistol in their car in MA.... a LEO friend in Boston once told me he first automatically asks drivers he'd pulled over if they are carrying a firearm in the car....
?
Thanks,
Paul in California....>>>>
K-Romulus
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quick clarification (?)
MD = Maryland
MA = Massachusetts
MD = Maryland
MA = Massachusetts
Woodland_Annie
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Tallpine said:
Um...yup.
Even with all its restrictions (even the police and courts don't know what the rules are) I'm glad I have my little old Ohio CCW.
Um...yup.
Even with all its restrictions (even the police and courts don't know what the rules are) I'm glad I have my little old Ohio CCW.
LaEscopeta
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Some more detail from court documents
...(if anyone is still following this):
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...ar21,0,6956291.story?coll=bal-local-headlines
Documents detail Cross Keys shooting
Originally published March 21, 2006
The gas station owner who shot and killed one of three would-be robbers at the Village of Cross Keys last week told police that the men opened his car door, beat him and then grabbed paper bags filled with thousands of dollars, according to court papers made public yesterday.
Mark A. Beckwith, 57, also told police that one of the men had a gun, charging documents show. Beckwith pulled out a 9 mm Glock semiautomatic pistol and fired at his assailants 16 times, the documents show.
Keith D. Love, 22, was fatally wounded in the robbery, which occurred about 2 p.m. Friday in a parking lot near a Williams-Sonoma store. One of the men was shot in the hand, and a suspect was arrested by police after he went to Maryland General Hospital for treatment.
That man, Corey A. Mcleaurin, 29, faces armed robbery, robbery, assault, handgun and theft charges, police documents show. Mcleaurin lives in the 3400 block of Gwynns Falls Parkway in West Baltimore.
Officer Troy Harris, a police spokesman, said police have not recovered a gun that Beckwith says was used by one of the assailants.
According to documents charging Mcleaurin in the incident, the men grabbed three paper bags filled with about $5,900 as they tussled with Beckwith as he sat in his 1995 Honda. Immediately after the shooting, Mcleaurin and another man got away from the shopping center in a white Pontiac Bonneville driven by a third man, the documents say. Police said the driver and other man were still being sought.
That vehicle was found later that day abandoned in Northwest Baltimore.
Beckwith, a Bel Air resident who has a permit to carry a handgun, had intended to make a deposit at a Columbia Bank branch located in the shopping center. He recovered the money.
The investigation into the shooting continues, but police have said that Beckwith will likely not face criminal charges.
[Gus G. Sentementes and Julie Bykowicz]
http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_079191354.html
Police: No Charges For Man Who Killed Attacker
Mar 20, 2006 7:13 pm US/Eastern
Adam May Reporting
(WJZ) Baltimore, MD Sources inside the Baltimore City Police Department tell Eyewitness News' Adam May the man who shot a group of attempted armed robbers at the Cross Keys Shopping Center will most likely be cleared of any wrongdoing.
Mark Beckwith, 57, was getting ready to make a bank deposit Friday when he was attacked in broad daylight. At that point, police say Beckwith pulled out a handgun that he was permitted to carry and fatally shot 22-year-old Keith Love in the chest. Corey McLeaurin, 29, was apprehended after he went to the hospital for a non-fatal gunshot wound.
Police are in the process of questioning McLeaurin in the hope he will reveal the identities of two other men who abandoned the getaway car.
Under Maryland state law, police have discretion in issuing concealed weapons permits. In most cases, there must be documented threats against the permit seeker. There is also a provision for people who transport cash as part of their business practice.
Beckwith is a businessman who owns several gas stations that have been targeted by criminals before. According to the Department of Justice, 1% of all crime victims use a gun to defend themselves. But there is an ongoing debate on how effective concealed weapons permits are when it comes to deterring crime.
In the U.S. it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in seven states, while it is legal with some restrictions in 29 states. Other states, like Maryland, make it difficult to get a permit.
Baltimore police are wrapping up their investigation into the shooting right now. Eyewitness News spoke with Beckwith Sunday, but his attorney urged him not to speak publicly until the investigation is complete.
Police will turn over their findings to the City State's Attorney's Office for a final review as early as this week.
(© MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
...(if anyone is still following this):
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...ar21,0,6956291.story?coll=bal-local-headlines
Documents detail Cross Keys shooting
Originally published March 21, 2006
The gas station owner who shot and killed one of three would-be robbers at the Village of Cross Keys last week told police that the men opened his car door, beat him and then grabbed paper bags filled with thousands of dollars, according to court papers made public yesterday.
Mark A. Beckwith, 57, also told police that one of the men had a gun, charging documents show. Beckwith pulled out a 9 mm Glock semiautomatic pistol and fired at his assailants 16 times, the documents show.
Keith D. Love, 22, was fatally wounded in the robbery, which occurred about 2 p.m. Friday in a parking lot near a Williams-Sonoma store. One of the men was shot in the hand, and a suspect was arrested by police after he went to Maryland General Hospital for treatment.
That man, Corey A. Mcleaurin, 29, faces armed robbery, robbery, assault, handgun and theft charges, police documents show. Mcleaurin lives in the 3400 block of Gwynns Falls Parkway in West Baltimore.
Officer Troy Harris, a police spokesman, said police have not recovered a gun that Beckwith says was used by one of the assailants.
According to documents charging Mcleaurin in the incident, the men grabbed three paper bags filled with about $5,900 as they tussled with Beckwith as he sat in his 1995 Honda. Immediately after the shooting, Mcleaurin and another man got away from the shopping center in a white Pontiac Bonneville driven by a third man, the documents say. Police said the driver and other man were still being sought.
That vehicle was found later that day abandoned in Northwest Baltimore.
Beckwith, a Bel Air resident who has a permit to carry a handgun, had intended to make a deposit at a Columbia Bank branch located in the shopping center. He recovered the money.
The investigation into the shooting continues, but police have said that Beckwith will likely not face criminal charges.
[Gus G. Sentementes and Julie Bykowicz]
http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_079191354.html
Police: No Charges For Man Who Killed Attacker
Mar 20, 2006 7:13 pm US/Eastern
Adam May Reporting
(WJZ) Baltimore, MD Sources inside the Baltimore City Police Department tell Eyewitness News' Adam May the man who shot a group of attempted armed robbers at the Cross Keys Shopping Center will most likely be cleared of any wrongdoing.
Mark Beckwith, 57, was getting ready to make a bank deposit Friday when he was attacked in broad daylight. At that point, police say Beckwith pulled out a handgun that he was permitted to carry and fatally shot 22-year-old Keith Love in the chest. Corey McLeaurin, 29, was apprehended after he went to the hospital for a non-fatal gunshot wound.
Police are in the process of questioning McLeaurin in the hope he will reveal the identities of two other men who abandoned the getaway car.
Under Maryland state law, police have discretion in issuing concealed weapons permits. In most cases, there must be documented threats against the permit seeker. There is also a provision for people who transport cash as part of their business practice.
Beckwith is a businessman who owns several gas stations that have been targeted by criminals before. According to the Department of Justice, 1% of all crime victims use a gun to defend themselves. But there is an ongoing debate on how effective concealed weapons permits are when it comes to deterring crime.
In the U.S. it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in seven states, while it is legal with some restrictions in 29 states. Other states, like Maryland, make it difficult to get a permit.
Baltimore police are wrapping up their investigation into the shooting right now. Eyewitness News spoke with Beckwith Sunday, but his attorney urged him not to speak publicly until the investigation is complete.
Police will turn over their findings to the City State's Attorney's Office for a final review as early as this week.
(© MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
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Wait a second. I'm a little confused here. I thought handguns were useless for self defense? I thought the criminal would have taken the handgun away from the CCW holder, and shot him with it. In the worker's paradise of Maryland, this is what is supposed to happen, right? Bunch of f----n communists!
Dollar An Hour
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Glad he got one of 'em, and another is on his way to jail and will probably rat out the other two.
It's sickening that MD gov't doesn't feel ordinary citizens lives are worth protecting with a CCW. You must be someone who transports large amounts of cash.
If it's that hard for law-abiding citizens to get guns, just think how hard it must be for the BGs.
It's sickening that MD gov't doesn't feel ordinary citizens lives are worth protecting with a CCW. You must be someone who transports large amounts of cash.
If it's that hard for law-abiding citizens to get guns, just think how hard it must be for the BGs.
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