Measuring group size

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On average I would say the hole is about .062 less than the bullet. Wad cutters are different of course. I have noticed a new backer gives cleaner slightly larger holes. If you have a bullet pass through where the backer is ate up the hole is smaller & more ragged. I bet the humidity makes a difference - How wet the paper or backer is. I'm not going to get all "mythbusters" and test it. Paper does pick up moisture fairly easily.

JDGray - The black ring is what I use for the dia. It is pretty consistent in the groups. I did see a guy on the net that colored his bullets & got color coded rings for ladder testing. I think he used sharpies.
.308 around .257 ring
.22LR around .150 - don't always get the rings. Some stay white.

Honestly, for me @ 100 yds (prone) with a rifle there is 1 to .5 inch, .5 to .25, and the .25 or less. The numbers are nice but those are the ranges. Sub 1, Sub .5 and Sub .25. Sometimes it is just "gee that group looks better" If you have to measure groups to see which ones are better you are on the right track. I shot a rare sub 1/4" group next to a previous 1 I blew out @ 1.25". I decided to end my shooting after the good group. I find it is good to leave on a successful note, even though I'm not really into head games.

I have found that context is hard to capture by looking at a target with some holes in it. I have to make notes on the target fairly quickly after shooting. Making the notes before is better. I go though my targets later and throw most of them away. Load development targets are kept separate. I trim down any I want to keep and put them on a certain door. I only keep the best of the best or one from a range trip that was just a great day at the range with some friends. I am pretty hard on myself, but I don't construct monuments of my failures. Learn the hard lessons & move on. I only keep the rewards, not the punishments. Granted, my wall of fame is pretty sparse. It's only part of a door, not even a wall.:banghead:
 
Wow. I use calipers to build engines. My tape measures for almost everything else. I always thought I could look at a group and estimate within .20 inch. I guess I am not mucher of a shooter. BTW lots of nice groups.
 
So, to be 'accurate' in our terminology, any correctly measured group (I say from the bullet-hole centers) that is 2" or smaller is 1 MOA or better, yes?

My understanding is that 1 MOA is very close to 1" at 100yds, so any group whose diameter is 2" or smaller means the radius is 1" from the center point and (presumably) represents a 1 MOA shot group. A 1" diameter group at 100yds implies a 1/2 MOA distribution, correct?
 
Great group!

dubbleA,

Now thats what I'm talking about!!:D Imposibile to measure frt edge to frt edge, as you described before you made me explain myself:)

But in your first pic, you can see the calipers are on top of the rings, not totally outside. If carefully done, it can be accurate"enough" Or we need to get the tool in AC's link if were gonna get down right annal.
 
If carefully done, it can be accurate"enough" (quoting JDGray)

Oh and that was a good group "AA"

That is my take on it. As long as we are consistent it is apples to apples for our selves. If you and I compare group sizes over the net then each of our measuring quirks come into play. If measuring by eye with a caliper I induce some error into the measurement.

I have learned not to judge shooters results without knowing the whole story. I know when I'm not shooting well & I own it. I have also had shooting buddies have a horrible match. I knew that the results were not indicative of their abilities.
 
Just measured a .308 hole in my target, and came up with .305", so I conceed to the hole being smaller, and if you dont measure the ring, way smaller!;)
 
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