MI - Action Alert - Huge Hunting Fee Increases - Hearing Tomorrow.

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Looks to me that your fees are going to be as high as what we have to pay here in the "Free State".What we pay here ends up in the Parks and Wreck Dept and then gets distributed to Wildlife.And they wonder why nobody is hunting anymore...
 
Between the gas, hunting clothes, lodging, pub crawling, new guns and gear, missing work, etc. the extra license money is a drop in the bucket and you know it.

I don't know how they do things in you're part of the state, but around here a whole lot of people hunt to help supplement their annual food supply. There's not a lot of pub crawling or LL Bean outfitted hunters in these parts..just a lot of people looking for work who don't have much disposable income.
 
Interestingly, one of the stated reasons for needing to raise fees is that fewer people are hunting these days.
 
Barbara said:
I don't know how they do things in you're part of the state, but around here a whole lot of people hunt to help supplement their annual food supply. There's not a lot of pub crawling or LL Bean outfitted hunters in these parts..just a lot of people looking for work who don't have much disposable income.

I have cousins in Iosco county who depend on hunting to supplement their food supply. From what I hear it's not uncommon for people in that predicament to take a deer or two out of season. I have no problem with that, if that's what they need to do to survive.
 
...Soooooooooo...How much has the cost of say, gasoline gone up in 15 years? Cigarettes? Ammo? How is it that the DNR is supposed to continue to function at 15-year old rates? Now, I'm no big fan of the DNR in general, but they have a job to do. I remember all the "I'll quit hunting" B.S. from the last fee increase years ago.

BTW, I have dozens of relatives in Tawas and greater Iosco county. How does anyone there find deer at all with the local Dairy farmers doing their level best to wipe out the local deer herd? Unfortunately, I'm related to one of them, and I'm sickened and ashamed of what's going on there. Dozens of deer are killed and buried! They're not even donated. That's what comes of having a political appointee as DNR director...But I digress.

Nowadays everyone seems to want their own personal policeman following them around to keep them safe, a fire truck parked in front of their house, and a herd of deer drinking out of their garden hose. but don't ask them to pony up the money to pay for it!
 
These fee increases aren't that big in the grand sceme of things. The pencentage increase shouldn't be a huge issue either. If a stick of gum goes from 1 cent to 2 cents, it's 100% increase, but so what.

If you shoot a good size deer, figuring that your gun has been around a while and has depreciated, or that you aren't getting a new one every year, the price per pound of meat is still cheap. Ammo is farily cheap, guns aren't actually that expensive for something that will do the job, and a tag isn't too bad either, all things considered.

And I know that this is a tax, but it is there for two purposes. Raise money for DNR and to restrict hunting to manageable levels. The gov't doesn't own the deer, but if they don't put some restrictions on things, you'll get folks who take more than their fair share or more than they need. Without any controls, there will be folks that put 10-20 deer in there freezers, because they can. Everyone will start thinking that the deer are theirs to the exclusion of anyone else. Worse yet, deregulation would bring about commercial hunting, similar to commercial duck hunting of years gone by. Wild game became another resource to be harvested without any thought to maintaining the long term viability of those resources. This is what is currently happening to fish stocks in our coastal fisheries.

It may seem unjust, but paying for licenses probably does more good than harm.
 
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" but if they don't put some restrictions on things, you'll get folks who take more than their fair share or more than they need. Without any controls, there will be folks that put 10-20 deer in there freezers, because they can."

That would be a good thing.
This year I have seen 6 dead deer,on the side of the road, within 5 miles of my house. One jumped in front of my wife going down our driveway. I have personally missed over a dozen while driveing in the area. There is no shortage.
There is a shortage of good hunters.
If we have a harsh winter ( as is expected) there will be 500,000 dead, starved carcasses.

Also this area has a depressed economy, 14% unemployment, and no industry. Some people hunt to survive.
 
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Interesting points on both sides. On the bright side, at least now that the DNR proposal passed, we know that if they do jack up the licensing fees that it's at least going to the DNR and not to a new Lincoln for the first husband or a slush fund like Kwame Kilpatrick used Detroit funds for.
 
An opinion regarding license fees
Being a northern Mi. resident I think it would be a great idea to license our annual influx of Morel Hunters, Bike Riders, Birders, etc that invade the northern lower and the UP from lower Mi, Ohio and Indiana. They certainly enjoy the benefits of our beautiful state w/o the obligation of helping to pay for the maintenance which is mostly paid for by the hunters and fishermen.
Just an opinion.

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The last thing we need is for a bunch of tree huggers trying to take over the State lands during hunting season. If you start charging them an access fee they will DEMAND access whenever they feel entitled to be out there! AND they WILL not want to be out there with all those" Neanderthal knuckle dragging hunters with their underdeveloped manhoods" running around shooting at anything that moves! Right?
Yes they get a free ride now but the hunters would loose out if it was changed.
 
Funny, in the 1970s and 80s at least, hunting seemed cheaper overall in the overcrowded and socialistic U.K. and germany than it is in many U.S. states now. And many viewed the costs there are being the territory of the well-heeled.

IIRC a shotgun certificate in the U.K. was about £5 (about $6 to $10 depending on the exchange rate) and a small game license not far away from that. Many species required no special license or tag - and civil servants with tape measures, weigh scales and bibles as thick as phone books were few and far between.

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Being a northern Mi. resident I think it would be a great idea to license our annual influx of Morel Hunters, Bike Riders, Birders, etc that invade the northern lower and the UP from lower Mi, Ohio and Indiana. They certainly enjoy the benefits of our beautiful state w/o the obligation of helping to pay for the maintenance which is mostly paid for by the hunters and fishermen

A couple of years ago, the tree huggers snuck a candidate in for the DNR advisory board which is made up mainly of hunters and fishermen. This clown tried to shut down hunting seasons and block new hunting seasons. The last thing you need is Disney-trained urban environmentalists making policy for game management on the rural hinterlands.

As for fees, they are close (though a little higher) than what Wisconsin is. One of Gov Doyles priorities was to pretty much double the license fees in our state, but so far they've gone up about 40%. I own a house and property in the UP, I always considered extending my hunting season by buying a hunting license for Michigan, but if it going to cost $165 for a gun deer license there, I'll just continue hunting on the Wisconsin side of the river.
 
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