MI - New law allows sharing of a handgun

[Barbara]

Signed yesterday, takes immediate effect.

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Today, Governor Granholm signed into law H.B. 4642 sponsored by Rep. Rick Jones. The legislation, passed by the House 99-8 and the Senate 33-4 has immediate effect and becomes P.A. 75-06. This Bill will allow the owner of a pistol to loan their properly registered handgun to any person with a Concealed Pistol License. The borrower may then carry that pistol or use it in any legal manner. Previously, in order to comply with the letter of the law, one would have had to obtained a Permit to Purchase or completed an RI-60 form and then had the pistol registered (safety inspected) in their own name. The process would then have had to been repeated in reverse on the return of the pistol to it’s owner. P.A. 75-06 removes these tedious requirements.
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SAFR Leg. Committee

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Barbara, curious as to your Permit to Purchase law.

In MO an applicant for a concealed weapon permit has to appear at the county Sheriff's office, and fill out a form very similar to a 4498. Ten days later you can pick up your paperwork (second trip to the Sheriff's office), then take it to the dealer, then fill out a 4498 for a federal NCIS.

How does MI's work, and is it any better than our dance?

Thanks,


Mongo

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Mongo, in MI it's only one trip to the sheriff (or local municipal police station) before buying. Fill out a form, take a test (easier than a written driver-license test). Then they take your $5 and give you the form.

I forget the exact timing, but you then have (10?) days to buy a handgun, add seller info to the form. Then you have another (10?) days to take the gun and the form back to the PD or sheriff for the "safety inspection".

On one of the two visits, there's a thumbprint put on the form.

It's a PITA, but it's easy to get all the above steps done in an afternoon.


Regards.

 

[Trebor]

The "Purchase to permit" is valid for 10 days. You have until the permit expires to buy the gun and return to the police station for the mandatory "safety inspection" (registration.)

If you have a Michigan Concealed Pistol License, you still need to get any new handguns "safety inspected," but you do not need to get a permit purchase first. Instead you can use the Michigan State Police form RI-60 instead of a purchase permit. The advantage of the RI-60 is that you don't have to get it issued. You just print it right from the State Police website. Dealers also have blank copies of the form. You still have to return to the PD to get the gun inspected.

 

[Barbara]

In most places..in some areas, the departments aren't so helpful. They'll plan hours for the 3rd Tuesday of the month between 2:30 and 3:00 pm.

Ok, not quite that bad, but they really do push it in some cases. The law just says the hours have to be convenient but doesn't define what that means. They also aren't allowed to charge you for a permit, but they get around that by charging $10.00 for a notary fee.

 

[Trebor]

Barb,

What do you think of the idea of making the fight to eliminate the whole "purchase permit" AND "safety inspection" system the next big push for gun rights in Michigan? Yes, we still need to improve the current CPL law, but we also need something bigger to work towards, something that would excite activists and help all gun owners in Michigan, not just CPL holders.

Big ideas tend to excite supporters more than small, incremental steps. There is a place for both strategies. I just think it's time for the next big step. It's been about 4 years sinc "shall issue" passed.

You know the racist history of the current system and you know how it is abused. With the NICS checks that are now done at the dealer level it's also largely redundant now as well. Personally, I think the time has come to try to get the whole thing scrapped. Just follow Federal law for dealer sales and get the State of Michigan out of the business of regulating face-to-face sales of personal property.

Thoughts?

Rob

 

[Barbara]

We're having just that discussion on the leg. board..the push by the Republicans is to be upfront and call it a registration..which is just appalling that they think that's an improvement??

As I told our favorite attorney, unless we've become girl scouts and not gun rights activists, I'm not supporting that. I'm amazed anyone would!

So, yep.

We're going to see a flurry of stuff getting to Jenny's desk in the coming weeks. Next up is the bill that gives the gun boards 60 days to approve or deny. I think the youth hunting bill is going to be next, along with some others. The plan is to keep sending these to her, prior to the election, and see what she does with them. I was a bit surprised she signed this bill..I thought she'd just let it ride.

 

[Barbara]

There's Castle Doctrine, too, but (IMO anyway) that whole thing has gotten ridiculous from a political point of view..they all want their name on the bill, so you have 1/2 a dozen people introducing similar legislation and then trying to put it together and getting the same one through both sides. All politics.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Same thing is going on in MO. The Castle Doctrine will probably pass this session, and there has been a bill introduced to make the PTP system easier for CCW holders.

I've contacted my Rep to complete repeal the PTP law. Here are the reasons I gave:

It takes 10 days (7 business days) for the County Sheriff to "run your record". We find this interesting for a number of reasons:

-- the Federal NCIS background check takes approximately two minutes.

-- any time a police officer pulls you over for a traffic violation, he or she can see your record almost instantly.

Why then does it take the Sheriff 10 days? And why does it take the Sheriff 10 days when you have gone through this same process within the recent past?

Second, there is nothing in the law regarding the maintenance of the forms in the Sheriff's custody. There may be a significant risk of firearms information being disseminated if there is a dishonest employee. This could lead to burglaries or worse, and at minimum is a security risk. In my work I am responsible for safeguarding sensitive information. The first rule I have is "need to know". Since there is a mandatory Federal background check, what is the use of 571.090?

Perhaps you might use some of this logic with your troops.

 

[SteveS]

What do you think of the idea of making the fight to eliminate the whole "purchase permit" AND "safety inspection" system the next big push for gun rights in Michigan?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I would like to see this registration system gone. I would definately support this being the next big push.