Michelle Malkin is right again.....Let's get serious about security

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Malkin also sez:

"We must steel ourselves for the possibility of a long-lasting reduction in the overall level of individual liberty we have heretofore possessed."
 
And that is another thing that bugs me.

I realise that we lose our liberties if we lose this fight. But if we give them up in order to win, haven't we lost them just the same? And does it really matter how we lose them?
 
Internment?????

What was wrong about the Internment of Japs at the start of W.W.2?
The people in charge of Defense thought that the Japs were going to try to take the West Coast(really not much to stop them) and that was the reason for doing it.
I wonder how many on the coast would have helped their own people if invasion had taken place.
 
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What was wrong about the Internment of Japs at the start of W.W.2?
Sometimes we here on THR talk about "lines in the sand." How many here would willingly be led away from friends, family, career, and all the rest, in order to be locked up (and probably worse) indefinitely?

Who would choose to go peacefully, rather than resisting?

What if you were being dragged away because of your christian beliefs? Woodja do it? What if you knew the people doing it were ignorant, but really meant well?

If you support these kinds of proposals -- removing all liberties from a segment of the population without cause or justification -- can you really stand tall and say you support the cause of freedom? Or are you just another tyrant, with a new target?
 
Reading through the column, not a word is mentioned about internment of anyone.

Lets look at what she actually wrote:
A true state of "heightened alert" would mean barring any new religious visas for Muslim clerics and ending all visa-free travel, which means scrapping the anachronistic and insecure Transit Without a Visa program and the dangerously lax Visa Waiver Program.
Sounds good to me.
A true state of "heightened alert" would mean a targeted visa moratorium for terror-sponsoring and terror-friendly nations.
Wow, we're not doing this already?
A true state of "heightened alert" would mean killing off the idiotic Diversity Visa Lottery Program once and for all and scouring the H1-B visa program for Islamist exploitation.
Sounds reasonable to me.
A true state of "heightened alert" would mean unapologetic government monitoring of Arab and Muslim foreign students on temporary visas, Muslim chaplains and soldiers serving in the military and in prisons, and Arab and Muslim pilots and flight students.
Well, we might get in a little trouble here with soldiers, but non-citizens, I say yes let us keep an eye on them.
A true state of "heightened alert" would mean immediate deportation of illegal aliens from terror-sponsoring and terror-supporting nations, increased National Guard dispatches on both the northern and southern borders, aggressive police-federal cooperation to catch illegal border crossers and overstayers on the interior, and vigorous encouragement of volunteer border security efforts like the Minuteman Project.
Sounds good to me.

Looks to me like some folks are reading too much into this, and put words into the lady's mouth. Everything in the column is reasonable, and in fact necessary, to secure us during this war.
 
It is kind of hard to defend, but....

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Well, if you're not just looking at the column...

Without racial profiling, we're wasting enormous effort in the war on terror, and our homeland security, by not concentrating on the primary threat - Muslems. I know it's not PC, you might call me racist, the fact remains. 9/11 was done by Muslems. The London bombing was done by Muslems. In fact most international terrorism starting back in the 1970's was done by Muslems. This is historical, well established fact.

When a 80 year old lady is frisked while an Arab Muslem is let on board a plane without a second glance, that is insane. Letting radical Muslem clerics into the USA on a religous visa is insane.

We need to pull our collective heads out our third point of contact, and realize that we need to concentrate our efforts on where the problem is, rather than dance around wringing our hands and lieing to ourselves.

And like it or not, the problem is in the Muslem community. That bit of the obvious is all Michelle Malkin is saying.
 
rebar, can you tell someone is a muslim by looking at them?

lee boyd malvo?

maybe john muhammad's name would tip you off... but he sure looks black to me.

jose padilla?

richard reid?

when i say "Nation of Islam", which typifies the "hate-speech" wing of islam, who comes to mind? osama? nope. how bout louis farrakan and malcom x?

hey, now that i think about it... i recall reading quite a lot about blacks in prison being converted and 'radicalized'


my point is just that you're going to have to profile a lot more races than you think.
 
I could tell the 9/11 hijackers were Arabic Muslems. I could tell the London bombers were Arabic Muslems.

Maybe if we weren't so PC, they might have been given a once over, and that once over could have saved a lot of lives. Maybe if we didn't give radical Muslem clerics visas, those guys wouldn't have become terrorists in the first place.

That's all Michelle Malkin is saying. And I'm saying it too.
 
Umm, so do radical muslims astually put their occupation down on visa applications as "radical muslim"? If not, how do you propose not giving them visas?
 
Malkin is great. What she looks like has nothing to do with my opinion of her. There shouldn`t be any confusion or complexity put onto what she is saying, or this war we did not start. It is plain and simple. Ofcourse YMMV according to how left you lean.
 
but from where I sit Bush has been a bigger threat to freedom than OBL ever was
I'm sorry, remind me again how many non-combatants George Bush specifically ordered to be murdered to advance his agenda? :barf:
 
we didn't say bush murdered non-combatants. we said he was a threat to freedom.

to turn that around, how many freedoms has osama taken from you?

bush and ashcroft destroyed the 4th A and 5th A
bush and gonzales are no friends of the 2nd A
of course, we kissed the 10th goodbye a loooong time ago, but bush is still headed in the wrong direction there too


hence, bush is a threat to freedom
 
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I'm tired of people who worship the neocon pundits....."Rush is right... Malkin is right...Hannity is right..." Get your own opinions you tools.. :cuss:

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I'm tired of people who worship the "progressive" pundits....."Franken is right... Gore is right...Dean is right..." Get your own opinions you tools..

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The left is the side that marches in ideological lockstep my friend, there is far more diversity of opinion within the libertarian/conservative circle then there ever was with the left.
 
"a perfect example of why she's bad for self proclaimed conservatives' PR. You either agree with her 100%, or you're a leftypinkoqueer"

LOL PR?.... PR?... So you aren`t really a conservative, you are a "self proclaimed one", who is worried that someone will think you are a real conservative like Malkin?

BTW, i won`tcall you any of those dirty names just because you aren`t conservative.
 
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I'm tired of people who worship the "progressive" pundits....."Franken is right... Gore is right...Dean is right..." Get your own opinions you tools..

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The left is the side that marches in ideological lockstep my friend, there is far more diversity of opinion within the libertarian/conservative circle then there ever was with the left.

Why are you talking about the 'left'? If you think the neoconmen don't march in ideological step you must be from the planet Mars. Rove hands out the daily talking points to the jr. Propaganda Ministers and the sheep repeat what they've heard. The more it is repeated the more it is believed.

The neocon pundits makes true conservatives want to puke. What is conservative about deficit spending? What is Patriotic about the Patriot Act? What is conservative about warmongering with nations that don't threaten us (Iraq, Iran, Syria) and appeasing those that do? (China, Russia, NK). What is conservative about appointed gun grabbers to Attorney General positions or appointing 'moderates' to the Supreme Court and believing some great victory was won. Some of us recognize the slippery slope and unified propaganda for what it is.

It takes a special kind of man to be able to tolerate the neocon pundits like Rush.
A trusting sheeple of a man. Someone who needs to be lead through the gate, and not be cognizant as he watches the shears being sharpened.
 
If you think the neoconmen don't march in ideological step you must be from the planet Mars.
Ok, where's my tripod?

I listen to Rush all the time, and he is often in disagreement with Bush's policy. He's been very critical of Bush on the border issue for example. As is Hannity, who personally went to the border to support the MM. I doubt very much that the great satan Rove put that into his "talking points".

As for "true conservatives", they'll get to put their policy in place, when they win an election. I also think you forget that the first Attorney General was John Ashcroft, a great supporter of the 2nd amendment. As for the Supreme Court, Bush hasn't even picked a nominee yet, and you're already blowing a gasket.

Clearly, Bush-hate has infected you, and nothing short of him personally handing out M16s to everyone will satisfy you.
 
LOL PR?.... PR?... So you aren`t really a conservative, you are a "self proclaimed one", who is worried that someone will think you are a real conservative like Malkin?
I use the qualifier "self proclaimed" (I use it with "liberal" too) because there is no definitive definition for "conservative." It's not meant as an insult; I just don't feel like wasting my time debating what a "real conservative" is or isn't. If you call yourself a conservative, that's fine with me. Too many people get into the evil conservative/wimpy liberal rhetoric over a debate without actually debating the issue at hand.

Hannity is a perfect example of what I was talking about. If someone calls and disagrees with him over one issue, like the Patriot Act (which many people who consider themselves conservative dislike), he berates them and says how liberals like them are what's wrong with this country, etc. Unless, of course, they kiss his butt and are very submissive in their disgreement. ie: "I usually agree with you, but i just think you might have this issue a little wrong."

I say this as a person who listens to Rush most days (but doesn't take everything he says as absolutely correct) and listens to other local conservative talk shows before and after his show.
 
Why is Michelle Malkin so right, so often, and our elected officials so wrong, so often?
First, we must agree on the definition of "right", "wrong" and "often" in this (and each & every) context.

Perhaps because she is RE-acting after the fact, is a solo act and does not have to deal with 500+ members of both parties to come to a concise, conclusive decision. She is NOT prone to come up for RE-election, and does NOT have to generate campaign contributions in the millions for said re-election.

Re: Malkin's essay message? Something about the proper use of language is what I got from it, along with some specific focus on one specific segment of society in a time of War, those known to FIT WITHIN A SPECIFIC PROFILE, weeding out the bad ones from that group, move on with life without taking any other freedoms from the remainder of our society.

Oh yeah, and call a spade a spade without fear of PC reprisal.

But I could be wrong :confused:
 
hence, bush is a threat to freedom

Technically, Bush can neither give nor take away freedom (except perhaps through pardons.) Therefore, Bush is no direct threat to freedom. He can, however, sign and vigorously enforce the freedom-eroding measures coming out of Congress. And this is neither Republican nor Democrat; Congress has been eroding our freedoms for one hundred years or more.

Getting Bush out of office won't stop the erosion process. Killing all the terrorists won't, either.

I don't have much patience for talk radio anymore. You have neo-cons on the right who pound their chests, cheer the War on Shadows, and march lock-step towards fascism. There are sand-packers on the left who whine about any act carried out by a Republican administration and who yearn for a socialist "paradise." Both are statists of different stripes.

Instead of reading people like Malkin, maybe try a little Ron Paul or Robert Pape.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr071405.htm

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Religious beliefs are less important than supposed. For instance, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, a Marxist secular group, are the world's leader in suicide terrorism . The largest Islamic fundamentalist countries have not been responsible for any suicide terrorist attack. None have come from Iran or the Sudan. Until the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Iraq never had a suicide terrorist attack in all of its history. Between 1995 and 2004, the al Qaeda years, two-thirds of all attacks came from countries where the U.S. had troops stationed. Iraq's suicide missions today are carried out by Iraqi Sunnis and Saudis. Recall, 15 of the 19 participants in the 9/11 attacks were Saudis.

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The clincher is this: the strongest motivation, according to Pape, is not religion but rather a desire "to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists view as their homeland."
 
well, i don't think it matters much whether he's a "direct" threat or not, but it's more than "sign and vigorously enforce". He and his administration are pushing hard for those freedoms. the executive branch is the one pushing the patriot act and its ilk.

certainly, it's a bipartisan effort with a long history. i didn't imply otherwise.

ron paul is good. never read pape. i seldom listen to talk radio either for the reasons you mentioned. i like national review and cato.org
 
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