Mid range hunting rifle caliber?

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Check out prices on the shelf. 3006-150g, 270-130g, 308-150g. Once you are proficient with any of the old standards, you may hobby out of the box for grins and giggles. Don't fall for the 50$ a box flash in the pan mythological beasts.
 
For those distances, you can't go wrong with any of the .308-based chamberings, or the .30-06-based chamberings. I personally would opt for the .30-06 because if you travel outside of NY, and do need to take a 300 or 400 yard shot, you will have no problems as to retained energy. JMHO.

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NY State Deer

I live in the Adirondacks (well, at the edge...) but over the years have lived in Utica, Syracuse, Corning, etc. Have hunted Catskills and Adirondacks mostly, but also Finger Lakes.

I own rifles in 30-30, .243, .257 Roberts, 6.5x55 Swede, and .270. Have in the past owned and used a Vanguard .308 and a 30-06 Model 70, and am currently keeping a Savage 99C in .308 long-term for a friend. Of all of these, my go-to gun is the .257 Roberts. I would say for NY hunting my next favorite is the 6.5x55 Swedish bughole-maker.

If you want a lever, it likely should be the Savage 99; if you don't reload maybe the .308 is your best bet. The .300 and .250 Savages have killed a LOT of deer in this State over the years, but choices in factory loads are narrow.

My first 2 animals on my .257 bob were taken in Montana, antelope and muley buck. With a 100gr. Partition, both went down DRT - one shot. My last deer with the Roberts was a cross-pasture shot in the northern Catskills, and he went down just like the first 2, as did a few in between.

As others have said, the 30-30 gets less and less certain beyond 150yds., although it's a great thick cover gun.

I do like short action rifles better than long, especially in my 60's at the end of a day's hunt. That 1/2 pound (typical) weight difference in the rifle makes it easier to carry.
 
If your set on a bolt gun I'd go with the 257 Roberts or 243 Win however I feel a good lever rifle ( like a Marlin 336 or Winnie 94 ) in 30-30 Win or 35 Remington would also make an excellent sub 200 yard rifle as well.
 
well, like BrocLuno said, you do not mention what action. that is quite important, in fact, for me, it is the second consideration, only to its primary use. that would help a lot. the old standby's are HARD to beat. such as 30-06, 308, 270, 280, etc. but if you are into lever guns, and do not want, or do not want to spend as much as a Browning blr costs, think about one of the newer lever cartridges like the 308 or 338 marlin express. the old 30-30 is a great gun, but it definitely has range limitations, even with the LeverEvoloution ammo. 250 yards would be pushing it to the absolute maximum range. and there would be a good chance at that distance of only wounding the critter, in stead of a clean kill.
 
I wouldn't push the .30-30 past 200 yards, or the .243 past 250.

A better option IMO than the .30-30 in a lever action is a .35 Remington, with LeveRevolution ammo it's a legitimate 200-250 yard deer cartridge. But I would just step up to the .358 Winchester, which you can get in a Browning BLR, or if you're lucky, a Savage 99. (Lucky if you can find one, and lucky if you can afford it). And you can hunt a lot more than deer with the .358, especially handloaded (not a lot of factory options), where it becomes your average .35 Rem load plus a hundred yards.

Two more catridges that should be of interest are the .308 Marlin Express and the .338 Marlin Express.

On the other end of the scale, for something that will work well in a 20" barrel...

.260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08.
 
My vote for deer at your intended ranges would be 257 Roberts, 6.5x55(or 260), 7mm-08(or 7x57) - three very efficient cartridges and very pleasant to shoot.
 
I suggest the .308 Winchester. Its pretty much a world wide cartridge and one the US military used/uses.

Make sure the rifle has a soft recoil pad.

For deer 150 gr soft point bullets are just fine.
 
Why offer up the BOB when the .25-06 is much more available at any retail store, and offers better velocity, etc?
 
i am a big fan of the 30-30 and i would feel fairly comfortable with a 250 yard shot, but that is really reaching out the the maximum abilities of the rounds effective range. as much as i love my ol' levergun, for this situation i would have to suggest something different. my first suggestion would be for the 30-06, but you stated that you might want something that wasnt too much more powerfull than what you really needed. so if the 30-06 is a bit more than you want to deal with i would go for the .243 win. i have two friends that use one and love it.
 
Eb1,

The 25-06 is a great deer round and I agree, a better option if you don't handload. I just think the 257 Bob will do the job just as well, with less muzzle blast. I'm kinda partial to the Bob, and prefer the 7x57 based quarter bore over the 30-06 based quarter bore, that's all :).
 
Although high-speed lighter bullet rounds like the .25-06 are very good on longer-range field shots, .308 and .30-06 rule in wooded areas and on shots under 300 yards. Bigger holes are better, provided the right bullets are selected.

A .30-06 will shoot through most 6" diameter trees and kill the deer standing right behind it. Don't expect that out of the .243 Win, .25-06 and other open-country hotshots.

Bring enough gun! In F&G polls of SUCCESSFUL hunters at tagging stations in the East, the most common weapon was a bolt-action 30-06.
 
A .30-06 will shoot through most 6" diameter trees and kill the deer standing right behind it. Don't expect that out of the .243 Win, .25-06 and other open-country hotshots.

That sounds like a textbook example of a shot on game NOT to take...
 
That sounds like a textbook example of a shot on game NOT to take...
Yep, classic example from the "bigger is always better" crowd who have the notion that "extra power" will compensate for poor shot placement. No disrespect to the venerable 30-06 or 308 , however.
 
love reading all of this caliber battle to have it topped with a joke about field dressing a tree..

now that's humor
 
The .30-30 remains the #1 deer cartridge for over 100 years for a reason. Even today it outsells many better cartridges and takes deer. While it can be faulted for not being a modern flat shooting bullet launcher, it hasn't seem to deter hunters from using it at the ranges they take deer at.

Why increase the amount of recoil by moving to a larger one? It's a fact shooters will anticipate harsher recoil and shoot more inaccurately, or less often. There's little to be gained by forcing yourself to carry guns that have to be at least a pound heavier to handle the bigger power loads, and trading down to the lightest manual action means not getting second shots rapidly or accurately. And if you're honest about it, you've heard hunters emptying manual actions pretty often.

Intermediate calibers do the job, although I won't go so far as to recommend 5.56. For hunting, the 6.8SPC is a perfect match, shoots flatter than the .30-30, carries 1000 foot pounds further than most hunters would attempt - 350 yards - and has little recoil in comparison to the big cartridges invented half a century ago. Put that in an AR15, and you have more power than the .30-30, better range, flatter shooting, a flattop receiver that accepts almost any optic ever designed, light weight, and is the easiest to take down and clean practically ever invented.

With a five or ten shot mag, often required, you can unload quickly when needed, and with a lot less jacking the action - which is very commonly the situation with negligent discharges. The forward assist actually has some value for the hunter in the field, it's the one time you can ride the bolt forward and then quietly lock it. Advanced hunters have noted game does understand that truck doors slamming and actions getting racked mean time to get under cover - just as much as if you heard it in your front yard.

Of course, not everyone wants the stigma of carrying a military rifle, especially one with an actual history of being durable and easy to use. It certainly didn't help the Mauser, '03A3, Arisaka, SMLE, Enfield, Mosin Nagant, Garand, M1A, or a dozen others when hunters wanted something that could take some abuse in the field. :) But since hunting isn't a fashion parade, I've not let it bother me - my first hunting rifle was an HK91 with first generation Aimpoint. It got deer, and the 6.8SPC will, too.
 
Like said repeatedly though, if you don't reload stick to the bread and butter chamberings. I shoot '06 and .270 and ammos cheap considering I dont hunt anything larger than a whitetail or hog with them.
But another good point was the lighter weight of a short action for a bolty if you dont just plan to sit while you hunt.

...the best part is it's really hard to go wrong with most of the chamberings listed for under 250 for a whitetail
 
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ok you made me speak up 30-06 ,none better.... 308-=30-06 short action.... my favorite..........6.5 x 55 ....as good as both with much less recoil......ymmv.
 
If you haven't shot one yet, find somebody with a .308, .30-06, Mosin-Nagant (7.62x54R), etc just to see how you like the recoil. You certainly don't need more than that, and could use less to get the job done. These will also be your most cost effective for practice if you do not reload.

If those hurt, then you have to go lower. 7mm-08, 6.5x55, .260, .25-06, etc. However, they tend to cost more. (Although 6.5x55 Swede can be had cheaper since you can buy European/Asian ammo, but there are less rifles available and ammo is usually not available in local stores. I love the round though.)
 
Those of you who don't hunt wooded areas don't realize how often trees jump in front of deer to shield them. It happens most often when light is dim and deer are standing behind trees, especially softwoods. I lost a deer because I shot at one standing under a fir tree and I was using a slug gun. The tree trunk was the same color as the deer and in the snowstorm, so I couldn't see it in front of the deer's kill zone. The deer would have been dead meat if I'd had my 30-06!!!
 
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