I've got a scoped SKS-M, as well as a pristine Yugo. M has a scope and will shoot 2" or less at 100 yards (if I do my part) WITH GOOD AMMO. With Wolf and such its more like 3-4". I agree that claims of SKS innacuracies are exagerated, mostly because of the lousy sights (and using lousy ammo). But, they're deffinitely more accurate than most AKs.
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I've got a scoped SKS-M, as well as a pristine Yugo. M has a scope and will shoot 2" or less at 100 yards (if I do my part) WITH GOOD AMMO. With Wolf and such its more like 3-4". I agree that claims of SKS innacuracies are exagerated, mostly because of the lousy sights (and using lousy ammo). But, they're deffinitely more accurate than most AKs.
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dfaugh, thanks. It's an old story. Most people can't shoot as good as their gun can; me included. In addition to the SKS, I have an M1 Garand correct grade on the way in from CMP (currently sold out but I got the last one). That does not have a scope either. I do not intend to buy a scoped rifle until I can shoot my SKS and Garand as good as they can shoot, or damn near, with iron sights. That's how you learn the basics.
I had this discussion with an old-timer that has lots of shooting experience. If I spend a lot of money on a very accurate bolt action rifle and then spend a lot of money on an expensive scope, I will shoot better. BUT I WON'T BE A BETTER SHOOTER. It's all about sight picture, posture, muscle memory, practice, practice, practice, and once again, practice. And as you said, ammo makes a difference.
I had this discussion with an old-timer that has lots of shooting experience. If I spend a lot of money on a very accurate bolt action rifle and then spend a lot of money on an expensive scope, I will shoot better. BUT I WON'T BE A BETTER SHOOTER. It's all about sight picture, posture, muscle memory, practice, practice, practice, and once again, practice. And as you said, ammo makes a difference.
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My 7.62 AK clone will put 20 rounds (one box worth) of Wolf into a 8" diameter @ 100 yards with the stock iron sights, on a rest, or from the prone position. It is no target rifle by any stretch of the imagination, but you should be able to scare that paper at 100 yards. And you should also be able to scare paper out to 200 yards...... Just maybe not the 8x11 size sheets.
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And that's exactly what it was designed to do. Nice shooting, by the way.
And that's exactly what it was designed to do. Nice shooting, by the way.
Gord
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Another vote for the Mosin-Nagants. For under a hundred bucks, you get a reliable, fairly accurate rifle that's cheap to feed and has enough oomph to take down anything on the North American continent, I'd imagine.
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Requirements are on www.odcmp.com. They're strict on the club membership, GCA (Garand Collectors Assn) is good, with a nice quarterly newsletter. There's probably an Ohio Rifle & Pistol Assn in their list.
They're a little looser on the shooting requirement. Forms and badges like DD214, CCW, LEO will qualify, as will most any competition. If you're "iffy" on that one, call their customer service to see if what you've done qualifies.
Ohio Rifleman, eh? How long does it take you to drive to Camp Perry?
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sks is ok when you get used to the brass flying everywhere
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They don't get much less expensive than a surplus Mosin Nagant. It can be tough to find a good shooter, though. Ammunition was not hard for me to find locally, but might be different where you are. A Garand would be the only other suggestion I'd make. Most places will have .30-06.
I've seen Mausers going for $150-200, but I don't know about 8mm ammo availability nationwide. My local gun shop just got in several tins of 8mm surplus, but that's the first time they've had it since I've been here (~ one year).
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- inexpensive, reliable and fun to shoot
- I'd rather not spend more than a couple of hundred bucks for a rifle.
- The only exception I'd be willing to make would be for an M1 Garand.
- I want to stay away from Swiss rifles because ammo for those is hard to find.
- I want to be able to go to a sporting goods store or wherever and buy the ammo, not order online or buy at a gun show.
- my budget is small (basically repeated three times)
They don't get much less expensive than a surplus Mosin Nagant. It can be tough to find a good shooter, though. Ammunition was not hard for me to find locally, but might be different where you are. A Garand would be the only other suggestion I'd make. Most places will have .30-06.
I've seen Mausers going for $150-200, but I don't know about 8mm ammo availability nationwide. My local gun shop just got in several tins of 8mm surplus, but that's the first time they've had it since I've been here (~ one year).
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Sleeping Dog, according to Mapquest.com, it would take me about 3 hours to drive to Camp Perry, Ohio, and it's about 171 miles from me. For the shooting/marksmanship part of the requirement to buy a rifle, there's this form you can have a law enforcement officer or range official fill out, basically saying that you know how to handle firearms safely and you can shoot. I think that'd be the way to go, and then maybe join that Garand Collector Association or something...
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