Miller(1939)and Heller(2008).Robert Levy Makes the Contrast

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Heller's Attorney explains with clarity and precision the very flawed Miller decision and its almost 70 year aftereffects.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jun/17/second-amendment-haze/

COMMENTARY: Second Amendment Haze
Robert Levy
Tuesday, June 17, 2008
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This month, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to decide District of Columbia v. Heller, the most important Second Amendment case in the court's history.

More than five years ago, six Washington, D.C., residents challenged the constitutionality of the city's 32-year ban on all functional firearms in the home. If the challenge is successful, it will mean the court has revisited and perhaps reversed United States v. Miller, the second most important Second Amendment case in the court's history. For nearly seven decades, gun controllers and gun rights advocates alike have struggled to apply the murky doctrines propounded by Justice James Clark McReynolds in his 1939 Miller opinion.

Does the right to keep and bear arms belong to us as individuals? Does that right extend to private use of arms? Or does the Second Amendment simply authorize the states to arm the members of their militias? The court will have to answer those threshold questions before deciding whether the D.C. gun ban is constitutional. Given the bizarre history of the Miller case, its dubious analysis and inconclusive result, about the only guidance Miller offers is how not to go about setting a Supreme Court precedent.

In Miller, two mobsters, Jack Miller and Frank Layton, were indicted for transporting a sawed-off shotgun across state lines, in violation of the 1934 National Firearms Act. Neither Miller nor Layton was charged with firing the gun or committing any crime involving use of the gun. They were indicted for a technical violation of the registration and tax requirements of the Act.

When the lower court held that the NFA violated the Second Amendment, the U.S. government appealed to the Supreme Court. There, the case took a strange turn. The court gave Miller's counsel, Paul Gutensohn, a mere two weeks to submit his written brief and prepare for a grueling interrogation by the justices. Gutensohn, who was court-appointed and had not been compensated, replied he had received neither the government's brief nor a copy of the trial record. He said he wanted to file a brief, but doubted he could travel all the way to Washington, D.C., for oral argument.

The court then offered Gutensohn a delay until late April. Apparently exasperated, he declined by telegram: "Suggest case be submitted on [government's] brief. Unable to obtain any money from clients to be present and argue case." Gutensohn's proposal - that only the government's brief would inform the court, with no response by the defendants - was arguably malpractice and surely contrary to his clients' interests. He should have asked that new counsel be appointed and that the argument be further delayed if necessary. That would have offered a semblance of due process to Miller and Layton. More important, it would have ensured that the crucial Second Amendment question would get a full briefing and fair hearing before the court. In any event, Miller and Layton had no written brief to support them, and no legal representation at oral argument.

When it was all over, the Supreme Court reversed the lower court's holding that the NFA violated the Second Amendment. The high court's conclusion hinged, not on the defendants' qualification for militia service, but on the particular weapon that was the subject of their indictment. Here's the crucial passage from McReynolds' opinion: "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a [sawed-off] shotgun ... has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument." Thus, Miller applies to the type of weapon, not to the question whether the Second Amendment protects all individuals, only members of a militia or just states.

McReynolds' refusal to resolve that key question triggered a debate that lasts to this day. In the end, Miller was sent back to the lower court to determine whether a sawed-off shotgun had military utility. Before a new trial could be conducted, Jack Miller was shot and killed. Frank Layton agreed to a plea bargain and was sentenced to five years on probation.

Fortunately, Heller presents the Supreme Court with another opportunity to declare its allegiance in the battles between the written and "living" Constitutions. The text of the Second Amendment clearly protects the right of "the people" - not states, not militias, but "people" to "keep and bear arms." By striking down the D.C. gun ban, the Supreme Court can affirm that basic principle and restore the Second Amendment to its rightful place of dignity within the Bill of Rights.

Robert A. Levy is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, co-counsel to Mr. Heller, and co-author of "The Dirty Dozen: How Twelve Supreme Court Cases Radically Expanded Government and Eroded Freedom" (Penguin/Sentinel).
 
Yes, we are off on the right foot since Heller showed up.

It would be easy to show that a sawed off shotgun has utility in the militia.
 
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a [sawed-off] shotgun ... has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

Is this not enough to say that the '86 closure of the machine gun registry is unconstitutional. Any firearm that is placed in service by a modern military (Well regulated militia) is by default demonstrating a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" and any law that deprives me access to such arms is therefore unconstitutional.

I guess thats why settling the collective vs individual right will be so huge.

I expect registries will fall under the reasonable restrictions, but outright prohibitions will be hard to justify.
 
Never Happen Today

Imagine that, a lawyer passing up on the opportunity to appear before the Supreme Court.

Today that would be considered the pinnacle of a lawyer's career. I remember how proud a friend was when he was admitted to the Supreme Court Bar. I'm sure today's lawyers would fight over the opportunity to go before the Court, and even do it pro bono if they had to for their "fifteen minutes of fame."
 
Imagine that, a lawyer passing up on the opportunity to appear before the Supreme Court.

Today that would be considered the pinnacle of a lawyer's career. I remember how proud a friend was when he was admitted to the Supreme Court Bar. I'm sure today's lawyers would fight over the opportunity to go before the Court, and even do it pro bono if they had to for their "fifteen minutes of fame."
It was probably a pinnacle of a career back then too. But the lawyer was apparently not in a position to do the work for free at the time. It would not serve much of a purpose for him to go bankrupt doing work for free for a hoodlum.
 
Note that the lower courts, following the precedents that they had on the time, chucked the NFA as being facially unconstitutional.

Then we get a ruling out of the twisty and packed FDR court, and lo and behold, we get 70 years of Orwellian ambiguity on the subject.
 
I have no idea if it is true or not, but I have read somewhere that the lower court justice set up the case to get his own ruling overturned, to eliminate 2nd ammendement concerns about the NFA. Anyone know more?
 
It is disheartening that a court, charged with the HIGH responsibility of clarifying laws, can so casually F something up that has HUGE ramifications for generations to come. Imagine how many people went to prison over vague and ambiguous and nonsensical laws.
 
I have no idea if it is true or not, but I have read somewhere that the lower court justice set up the case to get his own ruling overturned, to eliminate 2nd ammendement concerns about the NFA. Anyone know more?
I think that was a claim made or implied in The Peculiar Story of United States versus Miller article that has been linked here a few times.

You can download it here.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=981831
 
It is disheartening that a court, charged with the HIGH responsibility of clarifying laws, can so casually F something up that has HUGE ramifications for generations to come.
It is better that a court that is unsure of how something applies focus on something they are more certain about than make quick rulings. It is not a lower court with a high case volume.
It was better that they simply be unsure of how to answer the question of ownership and instead focused on the merits of the weapon than made a quick judgement. That quick judgement could just has easily have been one that took away the RKBA with the improper inclusion of just one wrong word in the diecision.

Is this not enough to say that the '86 closure of the machine gun registry is unconstitutional. Any firearm that is placed in service by a modern military (Well regulated militia) is by default demonstrating a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" and any law that deprives me access to such arms is therefore unconstitutional.
An argument I have made many times. The Miller case clearly shows that such items are in fact constitutionaly protected by case law. The court practicly said that owning the same M4 in service in our military for example was legal, but owning some arm merely suitable for recreation was not as well protected.
Essentialy that what is often refered to as "Assault weapons" and assault rifles are more protected under the Miller ruling than anything else.

Note that the lower courts, following the precedents that they had on the time, chucked the NFA as being facially unconstitutional.

Then we get a ruling out of the twisty and packed FDR court, and lo and behold, we get 70 years of Orwellian ambiguity on the subject.
Yes, and keep in mind the NFA was merely a tax on those items, not an actual ban or restriction, and it was still felt to be unconstitutional. It is amazing things could progress from people feeling a mere tax on a right was completely unacceptable, to believing complete bans on some items is legal, and charging fees (taxes) just for permits to purchase a firearm is constitutional.

FDR was one of the worst presidents this nation has ever had, and for more reasons than just firearms. It is amazing how history gets rewritten over time.
 
"FDR was one of the worst presidents this nation has ever had, and for more reasons than just firearms. It is amazing how history gets rewritten over time. "

You can say that again!
 
Its fun to opine. I just don't expect much of a ruling beyond the very narrow question the court posed.

THE PETITION FOR A WRIT OF CERTIORARI IS GRANTED LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:
WHETHER THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS - D.C. CODE §§ 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), AND 7-2507.02 - VIOLATE THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY STATE-REGULATED MILITIA, BUT WHO WISH TO KEEP HANDGUNS AND OTHER FIREARMS FOR PRIVATE USE IN THEIR HOMES?

I see no reason to expect they will broaden the cope of their ruling beyond what they have stated, although it would be nice if they said the 2A means what it says. That might mean they eventually come to the conclusion that the rest of the constitution means something too.

<added> It has occurred to me that "other firearms" certainly includes FA weapons.
 
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I know some very calm and well mannered people that will swear uncontrollably at the mere mention of FDR....
 
FDR was one of the worst presidents this nation has ever had, and for more reasons than just firearms. It is amazing how history gets rewritten over time.

+100. A sermon I preach almost daily :mad: :banghead:
 
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FDR was one of the worst presidents this nation has ever had, and for more reasons than just firearms. It is amazing how history gets rewritten over time.

+100. A sermon I preach almost daily:mad::banghead:

Amen to that.A book I was just reading ranks him second to Abe Lincoln among our greatest presidents!Ahead of George Washington,ranked 3rd, without whom we'd still be British.
The revisionism of our current liberal "historians" is beyond belief.
And this is the pablum our grade school and college students are being fed every day.
 
Amen to that.A book I was just reading ranks him second to Abe Lincoln among our greatest presidents!Ahead of George Washington,ranked 3rd, without whom we'd still be British.
The revisionism of our current liberal "historians" is beyond belief.
And this is the pablum our grade school and college students are being fed every day.
I am not at all surprised they ranked Abe and FDR at the top. Both were war time presidents who won their wars and both expanded the power of the federal government at the expense of states and individuals.
 
That guy is an "expert"?

First, Mr. Miller and Mr. Leyton were not "mobsters" - they were simple bootleggers.

Second, U.S. v Miller in no way needs "reversal" -it's pretty clear to anyone with legal training, intellectual honesty, and half a brain that what Miller said was this:

"This guy made no showing at trial that a sawed off shotgun is *USEFUL* to a military or para-military group**. Therefore, we cannot say that the weapon is protected under the 2A. [[And reading between the lines, if you know the history of the litigation, they were saying: Furthermore, ordinarily we would remand with instructions for a new trial to allow the defendant to attempt to establish this fact, but the Defendant didn't even show up here at oral arguments or file a brief, so we'll simply uphold the conviction.]]"

The CLEAR. OBVIOUS, UNEQUIVOCAL, INESCAPABLE, implication, or obiter dicta, is this: "IF this guy could have and would have demonstrated, as a factual matter, that a short-barreled shotgun is useful to a military or para-military group, then it would have been a protected weapon, which Mr. Miller, as an individual, has every right to own and possess." Otherwise, why even bother to talk about the weapon's status, if it's not protected AS TO THE INDIVIDUAL? Since Mr. Miller wasn't in any national guard. Why even discuss the issue (as it was indeed discussed at the central issue in the opinion) if it wouldn't make a difference as to whether the conviction could possibly have been overturned? It would have been completely superfluous to discuss it, and issue an opinion at all, if it wouldn't have absolved Mr. Miller, the individual, of the crime! That was the whole point of the appeal; to reverse the conviction.

So the rule is quite clear: IF a military group uses the weapon, then individual citizens can keep and own the same weapon.

So, full auto machine guns are fully protected, whereas single shot rifles and derringers and such probably are NOT protected, and could be regulated. The idea, of course, is to ensure that the citizen's militia is armed with the SAME technology of arms that the standing army is, because the whole point is that the militia is a check of power AGAINST the standing army (which is the U.S. Armed Forces), since it is controlled by the fedgov. But a complete ban on derringers and small concealable handguns is *arguably* perfectly constitutional. But then again, militaries have used small concealable hideout guns, I believe, at various times, in case of capture by the enemy, to faciliate escaping as a POW.

Now, COULD Mr. Miller have shown that a short barreled shotgun is useful to a military group? I don't know. He could have easily shown that a shotgun in general is, since we used trench shotguns in WWI, prior to that case - Win 97? Whatever model, we used them. Were they short-barreled? I don't know, but I don't believe so. It's not complicated - if the military is using it or could find it useful, then the government cannot infringe our right to own and bear that arm.

No, US v. Miller doesn't not need to be overruled - simply clarified.


**As it turns out, this is because there was no attempt to establish this by the defendant at the trial court level.
 
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