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It seems like most gun manufacturers are switching to MIM to cut costs...What guns/manufacturers are being made now, that do not have any MIM parts in them....This is mainly a handgun/rifle question.

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Metal Injection Molding. It's the process by which powdered metal is injected into a mold under heat and pressure to form a part. I believe it's also referred to as "sintering".

When I was a kid, I had some of those Japanese model guns. They were made mostly from sintered zinc.
 
I've seen some interesting numbers like "93% as strong", whatever that means.

I have an 870 Express with a MIM extractor. I've stressed the thing pretty badly with shells that had been sized wrong.

Repeatedly extracting badly-stuck spent 12 Gauge hulls by slamming the buttstock on a bench is a lot more stress than an extractor normally experiences!:D

The thing is still as good as new. It looks, feels and works like new. We'll see after another 10 or 20 thousand rounds if that's still true.:p

I also have a higher end gun with the same basic bolt design -- an 1100. It has a machined extractor. It also works fine after 35 years. I'll get back to you when the 870 is that old and tell you how many extractors it ate up.:)

AFAIK you can forge something badly, you can machine it badly (I've had a far less delicate machined part break on a .22 rifle after a few bricks). You can MIM a part badly. Or you can make the part well, with good metal and good methods.

It is likely that MIM cannot replicate the quality of the best forgings or the best machined stock. If you pay top dollar for the best possible gun (like one o' dem high-falutin' $2500 1911 pistols), you can get better absolute quality from tried and true forging and machining.

But that doesn't mean a specific MIM part is any weaker than the average production part made with other methods. MIM steel has come a long way. However, there are probably parts where it is a good idea, and parts where it's a bad idea, no matter how refined the process has become.
 
Its a common technique and well proven.

I am not a metalurgist but have been told by a metalurgist that it produces parts that are very sound if done right.

Better parts than you can generally make from castings, for instance.
 
MIM is a process which, like a lot of processes, can be executed with spectacularly differing results depending on who's doing it, suitability of the process to the design, etc.

I believe the toy guns referenced above were actually zinc die-cast. Not really much in the way of similarities.

This is a pretty good overview.

IMHO, it's a mistake to paint all MIM with the same brush. Some MIM seems to have picked up some baggage - not mentioning any Knames here or anything, but you don't usually hear many complaining about their S&W MIM or their STI MIM or even this MIM.
 
OK, now that everyone knows what metal injection moulding is, how the orginal question????:D

Who are the guns/manufacturers that do NOT use MIM parts in there guns...And like i said earlier, this is mainly a rifle and pistol question.
 
I would like to take my question one step further, and ask if there are any
AR15 manufacturers that don't use MIM parts....

Even the army issue M4's have MIM don't they?

But please, carry on with the original question as well....


Thanks guys.
 
Glock. If you use plastic and sheetmetal, you don't need molded.

LOL

WRT an AR: if you want a rather expensive gun built around an aluminum alloy receiver and plastic stock parts, why do you object to MIM steel?

The AR is designed to use various materials and construction methods as appropriate to optimize weight, cost, and reliability. Love the thing or hate it, there's no reason to object to a particular part in it when said part is just one of many made in different ways and of different materials.
 
Ruger uses MIM quite a bit. They were actually pioneers in using it in the firearm field. Look at their reputation for guns that can take a serious pounding or alot of abuse (and still function through 10's of thousands of rounds).

Justin
 
I think I've read that the CZ-75 doesn't use any MIM parts. Could be wrong, and not sure about their other models either.

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