Trey Veston
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Fascinating discussion! Thank you for keeping it civil on all sides.
The article was about how evidence regarding light trigger pulls can become important at trial. While evidence of modifications to lighten the pull would be relevant and might well serve as a red flag, the scope of the article is wider.3 of the cases cited in the article above were of DA/SA revolvers ....The remaining 2, being LEO's carrying modified weapons on duty,
It san and will, but that's not the biggest takeaway here.The biggest takeaway is that everything you do, think or say, the equipment you utilize, your body language etc...in a defensive encounter can and will be examined, analyzed and scrutinized.
Understood. The reasons would seem to mean the most, and the reason the firearm was drawn to begin with better be legitimate....fired or not. I got caught up in the frame of mind that "if you have justification for bringing a gun out, it's appearance or functional enhancements are secondary as long as they're not prohibited by law."
I live in a pretty moderate area with an extremely low crime rate. Local DA is not known for being aggressive towards gun owners. My sister-in-law is a prosecutor in the next county over, and married to my brother, a Detective in the next county over.
What are the statistical probabilities of me, 1) Being involved in a defensive shooting. 2) That shooting being questionable. 3) The police noticing that my pistol has a lighter trigger than stock by 1.5 lbs. 3) The particulars of the incident coming down to the weight of the trigger. And 4) The DA deciding to go after the relative of a local decorated law enforcement officer, attorney, and former Chief of Police?
I would seriously consider my chances of winning the Powerball about ten times more likely than the aforementioned scenario.
Quite a bit of risk mitigation advice is based on 'what ifs.' If someone came to my house and advised me to get rid of all of my fire extinguishers, I would likely ask, "What if I have a fire?" I'm not claiming that gun mods, reloads, Punisher grips or the like come up often in court cases, but the risk of it happening is non-zero.
I remember during the Zimmerman/Martin shooting, it was brought up that Zimmerman's pistol had no safety. And it was therefore possible he fired mistakenly. His firearm was a Kel-tec P-11 if I recall right. A firearm with no manual safety. I wouldn't trust a jury to decide my fate without knowing simple firearms knowledge. First time there is a civilian self defense shooting with a red dot, the media spin will be crazy.
I prefer revolvers so I voted over 6 lbs. I have no problem with a trigger twice that weight, assuming the pull is smooth. For me personally, I don’t like to use guns with light triggers. I like the added layer of safety the extra pull weight provides. Obviously most folks disagree with me on that.
Statistics do not work that way. Forget cumulative probabilities altogether.What are the statistical probabilities of me, 1) Being involved in a defensive shooting. 2) That shooting being questionable. 3) The police noticing that my pistol has a lighter trigger than stock by 1.5 lbs. 3) The particulars of the incident coming down to the weight of the trigger. And 4) The DA deciding to go after the relative of a local decorated law enforcement officer, attorney, and former Chief of Police?
I was going to say the same thing about taking a defensive/ gun fighting course and using a 3.5 lb trigger and not inadvertently letting off a couple of double taps.Trey Veston,
You re going to get a lot of variations.
And I don't think you are advocating a
trigger of less than four pounds.
But first, for yourself, to try and duplicate
some adrenaline combined with trigger
weight/gun handling, get together with a
friend.
First, Trey, jog or run a half block or bound
up stairs; do this several times. Next,
allow your friend to slap you in the face
seferal times and also give you a few
light to medium taps with his fist to your
chest. Next do some deep knee bends.
Now take a gun with a 3.5-pound trigger
weight and fire a decent pattern at say
seven yards. And, please, no unintentional
double or triple taps.
Maybe this will make sense to you or not.
I live in a pretty moderate area with an extremely low crime rate. Local DA is not known for being aggressive towards gun owners. My sister-in-law is a prosecutor in the next county over, and married to my brother, a Detective in the next county over.
What are the statistical probabilities of me, 1) Being involved in a defensive shooting. 2) That shooting being questionable. 3) The police noticing that my pistol has a lighter trigger than stock by 1.5 lbs. 3) The particulars of the incident coming down to the weight of the trigger. And 4) The DA deciding to go after the relative of a local decorated law enforcement officer, attorney, and former Chief of Police?
I would seriously consider my chances of winning the Powerball about ten times more likely than the aforementioned scenario.
san and will, but that's not the biggest takeaway here.
Handled an "Olympic style" .22 target once
at a store. Owner handed to me and I
got ready to test the trigger. As soon as
I touched the trigger, i heard a click.
Yikes! And the gun store owner grinned
as I said, "Not for me."
And grip safety.For guns with a thumb safety, it appears that this guidance does not apply. The Wilson Combat EDC X9,...