'Minutemen' and the International Criminal Court

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Happened to see that Mexican President Fox has warned that he will bring up charges in the International Criminal Court in The Hague against any American 'minuteman' who harms an illegal immigrant. May not mean anything to some but I'd hate to see a former 'minuteman' visiting the Canadian side of Niagara Falls arrested by some Mounties and transported across the Atlantic Ocean.

Secondly, how many undercover officers, American and Mexican, have infiltrated the 'minutemen'? I'm sure more than a few. Hate to have my name on some list in Mexico.

Just something to think about.
 
Who are these people that they want to prosecute someone for preventing someone from doing something illegal?

I think Shrub's "vigilante" remark has emboldened this guy. I am liking the Shrub less and less.
 
Should be a non-issue since the Minutemen are supposed to be observing and reporting.
 
I still believe we should invade Mexico.
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:D Been there. Done that. We kicked their posteriors real good. The place sucked so bad though that we decided only to keep the good parts and left them with what they've got now. :p
 
Vincente

Put me on that list too. I think a group of patriots not a part of the minutemen, but riflemen all, should sit a ways back from the minutemen posts and should the SHTF they could give the criminals from across the borders a taste of their own medicine.
 
Maybe we need to go see the local Imam and get us a Fatwa on Mr. Fox

Sam

Oh by the way, That "court" got any deputies dumb enough to come here and try to take a US citizen into custody?
 
Won't be one of "their" deputies, it will be one of our's that come for you.

They are just continually beating the drums about the ICC and eventually it becomes a household word like NGO's. A normal part of our speech like the United Nations.
A normal part of our coexistence with the world.
A normal part of our budgetary process to support these yahoos.

A government squeeze on you and yours.

"I'm just doing my job, Sir."

I don't think they have designs on you, its your kids and your grandchildren they'll come for, one step at a time.

Control, without it, there is no power.

Vick
 
The Minute Men have other concerns as well.

keepandbeararms.com:

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050328-093943-1917r
The MS-13 gang was recently profiled on MSNBC.com as the most dangerous gang in America.

Central American gang targets vigil on Mexico border

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 28, 2005

NACO, Arizona -- Members of a violent Central America-based gang have
been sent to Arizona to target Minuteman Project volunteers, who will
begin a monthlong border vigil this weekend to find and report foreigner
sneaking into the United States, project officials say.

James Gilchrist, a Vietnam veteran who helped organize the vigil to
protest the federal government's failure to control illegal immigration,
said he has been told that California and Texas leaders of Mara
Salvatrucha, or MS-13, have issued orders to teach "a lesson" to the
Minuteman volunteers.

"We're not worried because half of our recruits are retired trained
combat soldiers," Mr. Gilchrist said. "And those guys are just a bunch
of punks."

More than 1,000 volunteers are expected to take part in the
Minuteman vigil, which will include civilian patrols along a 20-mile
section of the San Pedro River Valley, which has become a frequent entry
point to the United States for foreigner headed north.

About 40 percent of the 1.15 million foreign nationals caught last
year by the U.S. Border Patrol trying to gain illegal entry to the
United States were apprehended along a 260-mile stretch of the Arizona
border here known as the Tucson sector.

Many of the Minuteman volunteers are expected to be armed, although
organizers of the border vigil have prohibited them from carrying
rifles. Only those people with a license to carry a handgun will be
allowed to do so, Mr. Gilchrist said.

An operational plan calls for teams of four to eight volunteers to
be deployed along the targeted 20-mile stretch of border at intervals of
200 to 300 yards, along with observation posts and a command center.

Mr. Gilchrist said some of the patrols and posts will be right on
the U.S.-Mexico border, while others will be located farther north. The
volunteers also have been told to "make lots of noise and burn campfires
at night to be very visible."

According to guidelines issued to the volunteers earlier this month,
organizers said they expect that they will be targeted by various
protest groups and others and that some protesters would try to provoke
confrontations.

"If we are to send the message loud and clear to President Bush and
Congress, it is imperative we stay within the law," Mr. Gilchrist said.

"If one single person steps over the line for their personal
gratification, we are all stained with that irresponsible behavior and
labeled forever as a fringe element that embarrasses all who are
counting on us to make this historic statement," he said.

The MS-13 gang has established major smuggling operations in several
areas along the U.S.-Mexico border and have transported hundreds of
Central and South Americans -- including gang members -- into the United
States in the past two years. The gang also is involved in drug and
weapons smuggling.

Gang members in America have been tied to numerous killings,
robberies, burglaries, carjackings, extortion, rapes and aggravated
assaults. Authorities said that the gang has earned a reputation from
the other street gangs as being particularly ruthless and that it will
retaliate violently when challenged.

The MS-13 gang, with 20,000 members nationwide, has risen in recent
months to such prominence that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, has begun a nationwide crackdown on gang members in this country -- as part of a sweeping law-enforcement initiative known as Operation Community Shield.

ICE agents arrested more than 100 members of the gang during limited
raids that began in January in just six cities, including 35 who were
taken into custody in Virginia and Maryland. The authorities said MS-13
gang members originally moved into the Los Angeles area in the 1980s.
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Of lesser concern is this band of fruits and nuts:
Printed in the Tucson Citizen
Tuesday, March 29, 2005

Group out to limit border watchers

The Border Action Network tries to dissuade groups from sending people to
Cochise County.

ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN
The Associated Press

Arizona human rights advocates hope to dissuade additional organizations
from confronting armed volunteers who will be watching for illegal border
crossings in southeastern Arizona in April.

The Tucson-based Border Action Network is trying to convince groups not to
send people to Douglas, Tombstone and other areas of Cochise County.
Volunteers from across the country are expected to gather in Tombstone on
Friday for a rally and orientation session organized by the Minuteman
Project, a volunteer group that is rallying people to watch the border.

They will fan out in small groups and set up observation posts across a
23-mile stretch just north of the Mexican border, mostly between Douglas and
Naco.
Critics say members of the project are anti-immigrant racists and vigilantes
looking to confront illegal immigrants. They say violence is likely since
many volunteers are expected to be armed.

Minuteman organizers say the effort is a political protest to draw media
coverage and demonstrate the federal government's failure to secure the
porous Arizona-Mexico border from illegal immigration, drug smuggling and
potential terrorist infiltration.

"We understand bringing attention to the border; we just prefer anybody do
that without violence," said the Rev. Robin Hoover, founder of Humane
Borders, which sets out water in the desert for border crossers. "Though
they say they aren't violent, the chemistry is certainly right for
violence."

Jesus Romo, an attorney representing Border Action Network, said the
California-based National Alliance for Human Rights wanted to bring in
supporters to confront the watchers.

"We tried to dissuade them because we don't think it would be a good idea to
focus on that kind of behavior," Romo said. "And simply creating a
confrontation would be counterproductive for everyone."

Romo said Border Action has advised the national alliance that it would be
better for those who oppose the project to "concentrate on the things we
need, which is to file lawsuits, investigate the matter."

The alliance plans a binational "Solidarity Rally Against the Minuteman
Project" on Friday in Agua Prieta, Son., across the border from Douglas.

Romo criticized efforts to organize a group of legal observers along the
border to watch the watchers.

"It's best to leave those people alone and not get close to them because I
believe they're dangerous, and it's in their best interest to create a
confrontation to get media support," he said.

"In some circumstances it is best not to do anything, and this is one of
those circumstances," Romo added.

Ray Ybarra, a Stanford law school student, said at least 40 volunteers in
Tucson and Phoenix have signed up to serve as legal observers, with others
expected from California.

They hope to deter abuse with their presence and document any illegal
activity.

Meanwhile, the Border Action Network is urging supporters to call Cochise
County and federal legal officials "to tell them to step up and do their
job," said the group's executive director, Jennifer Allen.

She said Arizona law enforcement agencies created an "atmosphere of
impunity" that encouraged private border watch groups to organize and "to
continue hate crime activities and breaking the law."

An international human rights complaint will be presented to the
Organization of American States' Interamerican Commission on Human Rights
this week, accusing the United States of failing to prosecute vigilantism,
she said.
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These people make me sick. They want to stop legal actions by citizens in favor of illegal actions by illegal aliens. What do people think?
 
As I read these stories, I decided that Chris Simcox (the M-Man organizer) must be pretty happy. Lots of press coverage and heat so that this issue might very well get a decent airing. Prior to this it was being swept under the rug. From some interesting comments by the feds relayed to me by private citizens guarding private property (ranches) I believe that some Border Patrol agents are there not to combat illegal border crossings but to "look the other way."

Rick
 
I have to wonder what the reaction will be when MS-13 starts taking out some of these watchdog blissninnies "by mistake". Yep, going to be a real circus. Maybe the anarchists will show up too, to get some (non) face time.
 
...Only those people with a license to carry a handgun will be
allowed to do so..,
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I am getting sick of hearing this chestnut - there is NO LICENSE to carry in AZ! There IS a shall issue CCW permit, but if you want to carry OPEN, there is NO license/permit/registration/official paperwork needed to do so, providied you are over 18, US citizen, and not a Prohibited Posessor!
With Mex military stepping up to the border, according to one report, the only thing we can hope is the kumbayahers wi;; get squashed in between.
American citizens demonstrating in foriegn countries against thier own government and people - are they trying to get elected President? :barf:
 
I think Shrub's "vigilante" remark has emboldened this guy. I am liking the Shrub less and less.
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Beware Dubya's ability to Rope-A-Dope. What has Dubya's ill-advised comment done?

He's looking good to the Latino community, disarmed the blissninnies supporting open borders, infuriated something like 70+% of conscious Americans, PO'd constitutionalists in congress, gave a warm fuzzy to congressional open border supporters, irritated congressional Democrats, encouraged V. Fox to run off at the mouth saying things that will PO conscious Americans again, allowed V Fox to threaten to use the very institution Bush has repeatedly dissed and which congress has wretched over, and my personal favorite, allowed V Fox to go on believing Bush is really working hard to implementing unrestrained amnesty for people Fox wants no where near his country.

Not bad for a day's work. I reserve the right to be completely wrong but I am of the opinion Bush is creating a major fight by rope-a-doping Fox. Now what I don't know is what is Bush pressuring Fox to do for us. Oil????
 
illegal immigrant...

I've often wondered why they aren't called invaders.

JT
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That's a darn good idea. Really. The only reason they aren't being called invaders, is because people aren't calling them invaders. But they are invaders.

Look into La Raza. Heck, I'll look into it for you: link



From now on, I am going to call them The Mexican Invaders.


I suggest y'all do the same.
 
For those too lazy to click on the link:


Mario Obledo, former California Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare; co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF); former president of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC); recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Clinton:

"Eventually we are going to take over all the political institutions of California." ". . . they (those who don't like it) ought to go back to Europe."

Art Torres, former California state senator, chairman of the California Democratic Party:

"Remember, 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to noncitizens) is the last gasp of white America in California! Understand that."

Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor:

"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country. . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, 'I'm going out there and vote because I want to PAY THEM BACK!'"

Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets:

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future! You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over."

Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount:

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions."

Armando Navarro, professor, University of California:

". . . you are like the generals who command armies! We're in a state of war!"

Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council:

"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over."

Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico:

"Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability." The new "Hispanic homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."

Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington; founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity:

"We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are ******** in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

David Lopez, sociologist, California State University, Northridge:

"In 1848, Mexico lost the war, but in 2050, Mexico will have reclaimed what was rightfully theirs."

MEChA (Chicano Student Movement):

"Chicano and Chicana students of Aztlan must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo with the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztlan." -- preamble to MEChA's national constitution.
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"...back to Europe"

Um, what language is spoken in Mexico today? Why? Is it because a certain European nation came, slaughtered the natives, and started settling, and of which these hosers are quite likely descended from?

*sigh*
 
Beware Dubya's ability to Rope-A-Dope
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I prefer my politicians to stand up for what they believe rather than take risks playing games with various groups. Then again, I'm naive that way.

Chris
 
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