Missing Armament

[lesterg3]

OK, I will admit it I am a believer that the SHTF is coming, at least 50 percent convinced. I pray daily that it isn't, but I read the Bible too and all this s--t seems to fit.

We have a strong family and we have land we are planning on moving to soon, we have farming and livestock experience, and in the past have been fully self sufficient on a previous farm. So that is not my concern.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Thad depends on what your definition of it is.

I'm guessing you're talking about what happens in Revelation. I don't think that's too likely. If I remember correctly, there would be someone appearing in Israel, pretending to be the lord, and all the world would follow him. I don't think this would happen anytime soon. China doesn't allow religion, about half the world is Christian, and the middle east is pretty fanatical.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Why does everyone seem to think you need an AR-15 to defend yourself and your property?

You have a good bunch of weapons thus far, why be so concerned about being more armed?

 

[kirklandkie]

for your ar it would be smart to just order one online either from these forums or an auction sight, you'll probably spend an extra 50-100 bucks on it but at least you'll have it before it becomes a family heirloom.
if you want one btw, i'm going on wednesday to a local manufacturer here in CT who's making 9mm 10.5" barrel suppressed ar's for a grand (plus massive taxes...).
he's going to demonstrate it for me, he says they're excellent machines
pm me if you're interested and i'll get you more info.

-kirk

 

[TMM]

i'm guessing that the .270 and 7mm are bolt action rifles... you and your family have a good set up so far, but i agree that a semi auto MBR would fill that hole in your collection. an AR would be fine, but keep in mind the other options: SKS, AK, FAL, M1A, Garand, etc.

pistols for CQC, shotgun for home defence (i personally prefer 20 gauge, at 15 or 20 feet i'd say it's as good as a 12 gauge, but of course that's just me and i also happen to have a 20 gauge), bolt action for long distance shooting/hunting... all that i see lacking is a semi-auto in a rifle caliber.

even if the SHTF, i'd be willing to bet that you'd be relatively safe. in my eyes, just because the S is hitting the F, it doesn't mean you're going to be in a battle zone. sounds like you're getting a large plot of land, so you'll have a good buffer between "them" and "you". my biggest concern, if i were you, would be people stealing my livestock or crops.

my two cents.

TMM

 

[Coronach]

You're quite well-armed as you are. If you're really trying to prepare for SHingTF, you should be concentrating on adequate stocks of ammunition and/or reloading supplies and parts for the guns you have. This is less sexy than buying weapons, but probably more useful.

More useful still would be stocking up the stuff that makes everyday life possible. This is not the venue for "survival" type discussions, but food, fuel, tools, and various other supplies would be far more useful to you than another rifle. Not to cast aspersions on you, but I HIGHLY doubt you were fully self-sufficient on your previous farm. If you had to take a trip to the store, you were not fully self-sufficient. Think seriously about what you use daily. How much toilet paper do you have? Yes, you can use corn cobs, but that went out of vogue for a reason. How do you generate electricity? You have a generator? Good for you. How much gas or diesel do you have on hand? The answer is "not enough", if we're really talking TEOTWAWKI.

No one is self-sufficient, including me. If your goal is to become as close as possible to this goal, the last thing you need is another gun.

To get back to your original question, if you WANT another gun, buy another gun. You'll have serious difficulty finding a "fighting gun" in stock right now. You'll probably have your best luck waiting on the one you have on order, since you are already in the queue for that. FWIW, I placed an order on Pmags back when this insanity kicked off. They came in two weeks ago, so backorders are working.

Mike

 

[marktx]

OK, I will admit it I am a believer that the SHTF is coming, at least 50 percent convinced. I pray daily that it isn't, but I read the Bible too and all this s--t seems to fit.

We have a strong family and we have land we are planning on moving to soon, we have farming and livestock experience, and in the past have been fully self sufficient on a previous farm. So that is not my concern.

A belt fed 50.... Build your house on a hill so you can survey all your lands and mow down the infidel hordes as they come for you. For best results bury propane tanks in strategic locations that you can shoot for maximum effect

 

[Acera]

There is a reason every military in the world got away from bolt action rifles.

 

[eye5600]

A lot of anti-gun people don't catch on that one man with a hundred guns is only a little more powerful than one man with one gun. I think maybe you're making the same mistake.

 

[MT GUNNY]

The Military Didn't Completely Abandon them, Snipers!!

 

[AllAmerican]

Buy an SKS for every member of the family.

Then stockpile the ammo for it.

Perfect SHTF gun IMO.

I too have a large piece of land. After the guns and ammo I think stockpiling the things needed to grow food and even stockpiling food will be just as important.

It cant hurt.

 

[lesterg3]

As for self sufficiency, no we aren't there yet, but everyday we get closer and will be as close as one can come in a couple of years. and I don't think we could store enough diesel for the 2 generators or gas for the tractor, Jeeps, and cars, I have storage for about a 1000 gals each. That won't last very long and that is why we are going with solar and wind energy where ever we can. We have wood heat and a wood stove for cooking. We also have beehives, can make our soap, candles, and other things that most folks buy.
Even my wife has a stash of material that she can make clothes of for years.

TP that's funny I guess we'll have to do some thinking there cause I ain't using a corn cob, maybe some of that material my wife has will be needed.

But seriously, on our last farm we didn't buy food, only the stuff like toiletries and plastic bags, and such. We had a 5 acre vegetable farm, beef cattle, goats, rabbits, pigs, chickens, turkey, and my favorite Guinea hens, and hunting supplemented that. Again about the only thing we did not grow was wheat or barely for grain, corn yes, but we need other grains.

 

[H2O MAN]

Stock up on ammo now and add to you gun collection later.

 

[lesterg3]

Delete

 

[H2O MAN]

That's a good start... more would be better.

 

[Acera]

The Military Didn't Completely Abandon them, Snipers!!

Are most of the new sniper rifles bolt action? I thought the semi's were taking over. I would much rather face an group of folks armed with bolt guns over a group armed with semi's. Especially in the short ranges of the city or forest where the back end accuracy is less important. Give me the firepower! I can take their bolt guns from them later......

 

[Bill2e]

Accourding to this guy, you have all the guns you need. http://www.kurtsaxon.com/defense001.htm


Now the questions is DO YOU WANT MORE? If so buy more, if not don't.

 

[Ed Ames]

Do the reasons of a military apply to a family?

If you have the wealth to maintain a continuous supply of ammunition that opens a range of tactics that would not be available if you had to operate on more limited resources.

The US has that wealth. Most US citizens do not. That's a difference in conditions and conditions dictate tactics.

Even there, the US Military buys a lot of bolt action rifles.

Anyway... to the OP's question... I don't totally understand where you are coming from, nor your current choices (aren't .270 and 7mm RM essentially interchangeable in the continental US?) -- not that they are wrong but I don't know enough about your situation -- but I would say that now is a bad time to try buying ARs.

My own concession to the Times We Live In has mostly been to enhance what I have as opportunities have presented themselves. As in, I found a scope, warne steel scope rings, and a steel scope base set... all high quality "good stuff" and all on a discount rack. A bit of fiddle-time later I have a longer range rifle. Quality over quantity.

Frankly I don't think either of us is going to be doing the sort of stuff an M4 is designed to do. We aren't going to be running towards entrenched enemy forces. We probably aren't going to be sweeping unfamiliar houses. Patrolling? Not in the way a soldier does, with backup and a reason to expose himself. Not that I don't have a combat carbine... but it isn't SHTF gear for me. My encore single-shot with .270 barrel and nice new scope IS realistic SHTF gear for just about any real-world situation I can see MYSELF needing a rifle in...because frankly I can't carry enough ammo to keep an M4 fed and I can't afford the sort of logistics system the US Gov. has.

Knowledge, tools, and skill all interrelate...the tools are useless without the skill, the skill won't develop without the tools, and tool choice and skill development alike are guaranteed to go wrong without knowledge. All three must be enhanced together.

You have a decent set of tools. Do you have the skills and knowledge? If not, upgrade.

 

[sarduy]

you need a rifle chambered in 7.62x39... like umm.. an AK47

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Looking at your list gun wise-

One more 12 guage. After that? Ammo and components for the 9mm, 270, and 12 guage suff, along with spare parts like firing pin and trigger springs.

After that, as others have mentioned, food, clothing, and other neccesities.

Using your head will be your biggest asset. Try this website out for some good info: www.backwoodshome.com .

 

[Art Eatman]

Strong family? Rural location? Gunwise, you're already in pretty good shape. I'd guess that another shotgun would prove more useful than any other weapon. From a priority standpoint, other long-term-storage items would be more important.

Alertness and early warning in a time of troubles are more important than the particular weaponry. IMO.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

IMHO, you need a 12 gauge for your pistol packing daughter and you need a second 12 gauge for one of the [son and daughter] pair that already has one in your list.

A second consideration is moving away from calibers recently being embroiled in controversary and staying away. One poster mentioned using AK type caliber and that is not a bad idea. It's availible all over at least half the Globe.

A third consideration is consolidating and using just one major caliber for a duty. Example 12 gauge shotgun great. However you got a mix of handguns. Lose the ones that are not that great and stay with a caliber that is easily availible to all. That way the whole family can just grab one handgun bullet in a hurry instead of having to sort out which bullet goes to which handgun.

I applaud your intend to fully self sufficient. I think you will need a supply of water source on land, a way to filter it, wildlife to shoot for food, solar panels to take to electricity. Horses to get around. Mules to haul freight. And a dutch oven either wood, charcoal or wood to cook and boil water/heat home.

It's just a start. I dont want to go down anymore talking about it because it is not a Survialist thread.

Finally but not last. The Lord will take you in the last days and we are to run to him with happy feet because those left behind are going to find trouble.

 

[black_powder_Rob]

i noticed you don't have any 22's J/K
I think your pretty well set on guns, but if you must have another semi auto rifle, I would suggest either a sks or mini14 prices have gone up but not as high as the ak. good luck with everything.

 

[easyrider604]

You mentioned previous farm experience but am not sure if you will be moving into another farm, but if you will, that means lots of wide open spaces.

I'd get a couple of .50 BMG Barrett bolt-action rifles or similar. With appropriate optics. That will take care of the 500 meter + shots. Your current weapons cache should be good for anything that gets through the Barrett.

Stockpile ammo, but you already know that

 

[Ed Ames]

22lr is very good advice....you can have 5000 rounds in a standard ammo can, you can get rounds that are indoor quiet and great for pest control, they are great training, relaxation, and utility guns... especially on a farm.

.50? 500 meters? First they already have 7mm mag and .270 that are both fine at 500 meters, second... well, I don't need a second. .50 rifles are fun toys and I have nothing against them but for the price of a decent .50bmg rifle you can get a perimeter security system with cameras and a tractor.