Mixing powders by mistake

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Walkalong said:
Uncalled for. I merely stated my opinion.

b,c,& d, are unwarranted in this situation. Do you really believe any of those could happen under the exact parameters the OP laid out?

It's smokeless powder, not voodoo.
IMHO none of your arguments hold water for this situation. Alarmist? No, I wouldn't go there exactly. Overly cautious? Maybe. Making a mountain out of a mole hill? I'd say so.
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Precisely what I was doing, stating my opinion.
I was not making a mountain out of a mole hill - uncalled for.
Thank you.
 
:DHeck, I always have 4-5 lbs. of powder on my bench, I never know what I will mix next,

it's all fun, heck U may come up with a great load, but U will never know cause U won't be here!!!
 
Wow such commotion:neener:

Anyway, went to the range today to test few rounds with this powder on a RD tested load.

Aguila 380acp brass
2.6gr Red Herco
105gr LSWC
OAL 0.975"
Fired on a CZ-83

No biggie, shot just fine, actually I didn't see any difference between regular RD and this powder. Not enough herco on the mix I guess.
 
You were lucky this time (that you mixed compatible powders.) It's a very bad practice and you need to work on not doing it again. Next time you might ruin 8 pounds of good rifle powder -- and there's no salvaging that.

Glad it worked for you. :) Try to learn the lesson anyway, as if it had been expensive.
 
It was "almost a pound of Red Dot" he changed, not 8 lbs.

At least that's what I read in the first post.
 
SNUFFY-- That said, the amount given is maybe 100 grains? A pound of powder is 7,000 grains. 100 grains is 1-700 one seven hundredth of the total or .01428 percent.
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Not just yer peepers you need to check. 100 grains in a (assumed) full pound of 7000 grains is 1/70th, NOT 1/700th. What the heck, it's only an error of a factor of ten. Whats one little zero among friends :neener:
 
If you are going to quote me FDF, at least get the quotes in the right order. ;)

Glad to see vjay survived the non event of shooting some of the mixed powder. :)
 
Wow such commotion

Anyway, went to the range today to test few rounds with this powder on a RD tested load.

Aguila 380acp brass
2.6gr Red Herco
105gr LSWC
OAL 0.975"
Fired on a CZ-83

No biggie, shot just fine, actually I didn't see any difference between regular RD and this powder. Not enough herco on the mix I guess.
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Wheew!!!!:D Now close this before someone goes all low road or something!!! Glad yer still with us! Lesson learned(One powder on the bench at a time), cooler minds prevailed!!;)
 
I've followed this thread with interest, not for what it concerns, but how it's been conducted. I've seen this happen many times here, and it's happened to me a few times as well. A person asks a question, and the replies come it two distinct forms. Form one is an answer based on experience, science, or logic, maybe all three, but an honest answer to the question. Form two is an opinion of disagreement of what the poster THINKS is the intent of the OP but doesn't answer the question asked, then a paragraph of what the poster does ("I do it this way, blah blah blah...") and finally a paragraph of preaching ("You should never ever blah blah blah"). Then tempers flair, names are called, and the system breaks down.

I guess there's a Form three as well - someone like me shows up and adds nothing at all to the conversation.

Entertaining.
 
It was "almost a pound of Red Dot" he changed, not 8 lbs.
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Yes, and if he develops bad powder-handling habits next time he might ruin a whole jug of rifle powder -- and you generally can't salvage that.
 
Unbelievable thread

We have idiots hard heads in the room...
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Careful there with the name calling. Are you speaking from experience or from what you read? Remember the mfg.s have to protect themselves from lawsuits. Ever wonder why reload data in the powder companies manuals keeps getting smaller and smaller charges over the years.

Maybe the powder keeps getting hotter and hotter, or maybe the newer forearms keep getting weaker and weaker.

Common sense & experience needs to prevail here not opinions.
 
I've dumped the remnants (maybe couple hundred grains) of a one pounder into a brand new 8 pounder of something else before....ran the rumbers, put the lid on and shook it up.
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This is where the "8 lb" deal came from, post # 12. Was a completely different experience from what the OP was asking about.

No better than some can read here I wander just how accurate their reloading is. Sloppy reading here and sloppy reading of the manual? Will not equal accurate-safe ammo.
 
When powder is manufactured, I'm sure one of the steps in the manufacturing process is determining how stable the finished product will be. Since smokeless powder is fired in all kinds of conditions, stability is paramount as the powder may be fired in a cartridge that is room temperature, it may be fired in a cartridge that is below freezing and it might also be fired after sitting in a hot vehicle in the direct sunlight for hours. The cartridges could literally be so hot you could barely touch them, I know, as my work truck many times has extremely hot tools that I take out of it.

Just because the mixed powder worked this time does not guarantee that it will be the same under a number of other conditions. Even the jiggling of the cartridges themselves could result in a different powder making its way down to the cartridge base, and then the powders aren't thoroughly mixed any more.

I'm sure that is also taken into consideration when they manufacture powder - the powder will remain mixed regardless of vibration of the cartridges while they are sitting a certain way, possibly in a reloading cartridge box.

In light of that, I would think that any time this powder is used, no matter when, there may be a future problem directly associated with the mixing of two different powders.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the manufacturer doesn't take vibration and settling and/or separation into account. Maybe the manufacturer doesn't take into account the burn rate at different temperatures. Maybe the reason all powders are rather stable is just the way it happens to be - not engineered that way at all, just 'happenstance'.

Just like reloading itself, there are so many variables that are possible and in itself, reloading can be dangerous if we do not abide by certain rules - just like guns can be dangerous unless we abide by certain rules. As soon as someone removes one fundamental rule, they are opening up themself and those around them to a potentially great risk.
 
jcwit said:
This is where the "8 lb" deal came from, post # 12. Was a completely different experience from what the OP was asking about.

No better than some can read here I wander just how accurate their reloading is. Sloppy reading here and sloppy reading of the manual? Will not equal accurate-safe ammo.
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I agree 100%.
 
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I've followed this thread with interest, not for what it concerns, but how it's been conducted. I've seen this happen many times here, and it's happened to me a few times as well. A person asks a question, and the replies come it two distinct forms. Form one is an answer based on experience, science, or logic, maybe all three, but an honest answer to the question. Form two is an opinion of disagreement of what the poster THINKS is the intent of the OP but doesn't answer the question asked, then a paragraph of what the poster does ("I do it this way, blah blah blah...") and finally a paragraph of preaching ("You should never ever blah blah blah"). Then tempers flair, names are called, and the system breaks down.

I guess there's a Form three as well - someone like me shows up and adds nothing at all to the conversation.

Entertaining.
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I have contributed to hundreds of reloading forums, since they got going on the WWW and on newgroups before that.

There are a million ways to look at anything, but many people think that their first reaction is the exclusive truth.

This leads to a disgusted reaction that amounts to "I wouldn't do that."

Most reloaders have a reaction at the Gestalt level of condemning anyone better at reloading than them as "crazy and dangerous".

How many reloader are this petty, stupid, and vain?
Most of them, including most moderators.
So it is the gift the keeps on giving.
 
Well the main topic was already solve, got everyones opinions and I thank that, I'll ask a mod to close this one since it seems we are getting hot headed here.

jay
 
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