MN may get CCW, Finally...

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Kframe

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Well, another year is here.
This time it actually looks like it'll pass the Senate.
Then, we're virtually home free.
"KARE"11 news just had a little blurb about it.
And, they didn't even put a negative spin on it like they are known to do with their mindless banter.
:) -Kframe
 
we have relatively loose gun laws here (s.d.), and the sight of guns being carried in the open usually alarms no one...however, that is changing. the news puts a negative spin on gun-related issues when they arise, and there is a stronger anti- movement gathering in the bigger cities...

good luck to m.n.!
 
Ya, I just go back from the first house committee hearing of the bill. Very interesting. Some compelling issues from the opposition, but also a lot of the ole song and dance.

I was surprised to hear that the Sheriffs organization was not on board with the current language. I thought that they were... I think that if the bill included some specific causes for denial, they would endorse this thing. And hey, if that’s the only issue, great! Write it in and lets get the party going.

The meeting ended on a very good note. One fine representative yielded his time till the end and when they came back to him, he gave one of the most concise and spot on endorsements of the 2nd amendment language I’ve ever heard. "Militia means individual in my book" (paraphrase). Woooo Hooooo! Preach it brother!!!


Diesle
 
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Guns on the Docket in House Committee

The first major gun bill of the session blasted through its first committee stop Tuesday with no changes.

The proposal would force sheriffs to issue handgun permits to most law-abiding citizens and do it within 15 days.

Representative Lynda Boudreau of Faribault, the bill's sponsor, is confident that after several years of narrow defeats, the bill would pass this year.

Most permits are issued by police chiefs, who have broad discretion over who they allow the right to carry a handgun. Applicants must demonstrate an occupational need or a specific threat to their safety.

Boudreau's change would allow wider access to concealed-weapon permits and allow almost anyone who undergoes training and a background check to obtain a concealed-weapon permit and carry a gun in public.

(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
 
If you want to keep track of what is happening with the Minnesota Personal Protection Act, aka shall issue, go to www.mnccrn.org and you can look at what is happening with the bill. The House bill is HF261, and the Senate bill is SF222.
 
I popped off a quick email after the hearing today. Want to share my note and the responses from the representatvies....

Response.....

Your message was forwarded to me so I will answer it as best I can. I am copying Rep. Boudreau with my reply. She may decide to also respond to you. I have answered your questions within your text.


The origional Email with answers integrated in the text....


Madam,

Thank you so much for your time on this matter. Though I'm not fully aware of your effort in total, I'm sure that it has been substantial and extremely 'trying' at times. I feel that this is a just cause that requires the sort of attention that you and the co-authorors are giving it. So important now in the light that many legislatures and courts choose to skirt, ignore, and rule unconstitutionally on the matter.

Please forgive my ignorance, but I would like to ask a question based on what I heard today.

Before coming into the hearing, my understanding was that the Sheriffs Assoc. Was 'on board' with the current language. They obviously are not. But, what was interesting was that the testimonial of the Sheriffs representative seemed to indicate that they would be more likely to endorse the bill in full if there was language included that addressed the issue of discretionary denial of an applicant based on specific criteria. He sighted Texas law on this matter. In Texas they give discretion to the local authority when specific criteria are met. Certain legal status, tax status, etc...

How important is the Sheriffs endorsement of this bill?

It is helpful but certainly not necessary. I was disappointed that Sheriff Borchardt did not acknowledge the great compromises we made over the last year and a half

Can their endorsement be secured with this addition to the language?

It is doubtful. We worked with them last year and thought we had worked out a deal. Their board decided they could not support the agreement.

Is it too late to be making these sort of substantial changes to the language?

I would say that it is very close to the end. This proposal has been in development for abut five years. We will entertain changes that are good public policy as long as they do not further erode those eligible or where and when they may carry.

Does it even matter?

If we play our card correctly it will not matter at all. We have the votes in the house to pass the bill. We have the votes in the senate once the proposal gets to the floor. The trick is to get it to the floor. We are working on several options

No disrespect intended, I certainly am not trying to do you job. It is obviously preferable to have this bill fly this year if some simple compromises can be made. Again, my naivety on the matter may be very evident here. Perhaps the passage of this bill this year is a virtual certainty.

Again, thank you so much for your effort. I look forward to following this through to its conclusion in this years session. If there is any way a regular ole citizen can be of assistance, please don't hesitate to ask.



The origional #1 authorer of the bill responded as well....

Rep. Lynda Boudreau

Thank you for your inquiry of the Citizen's Personal Protection Bill. (MMPA)
I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
Sheriff Borchardt has worked with the advocates for the last year on
this issue. It was somewhat surprising that he came out so strongly
against. It seems that what the law enforcement folks really want is discretion which is the current law. It is also apparent that these "leaders" want the ability to do unwarranted investigations on
individuals including their medical records. I am not willing to go
there, but I welcome your input on this issue..


The representative is a real fighter..>!


Diesle
 
Hearing Update

Repost far and wide

Good news first. The MPPA passed out of the civil law committee on a 7 to 4 vote. The only surprise - Rep. Lynn Wardlow (an author on the bill) voted again it.

There are TWO things we learned from the hearing. Our response needs to be pounded home to our supporters. It would be nice if creating public policy were about logic. Unfortunately all to often it is about political correctness.

1. PERMIT HOLDERS ARE THE GOOD GUYS. Even some of our supporters seem to forget this. A person going through the training and through the process is not the citizen others have to worry about. They do not and should not become criminals based on where they stand or whom they are picking up. PERMIT HOLDERS ARE AN ASSETT TO THE COMMUNITY NOT A THREAT. Law enforcement is particularly susceptible to this problem. We need to be sure that legislators are able to distinguish between permit holders and criminals with guns.

2. TODAY IN MINNESOTA THERE ARE OVER 11,000 PERMIT HOLDERS CARRYING INTO SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, HOSPITALS, STADIUMS, AND THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS. PERMIT HOLDERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND EVEN ENCOURAGED TO CARRY IN ALL OF THESE VENUES. NONE SHOULD BE STATUATORIALY EXEMPT.

The reasons:

§ See #1 above

§ We are about to enter into a war against and enemy with resources already on our shores, in our cities and neighborhoods. To assist our enemy we are going to provide them with a list of facilities (our schools, churches, shopping centers, stadiums, etc) where our most precious possessions - our children are - and tell them that as a matter of law it is illegal for the parents, teachers, custodians administrators, neighbors, fellow citizens or other group of adults (see #1 above) to be armed to defend our children. STOP, think about this, really think about this.

I have tried and tried for years to get the anti-gun crowd to walk their talk and put up in their homes a sign reading "NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE". To date I know of none that have, yet they want us to do that in our schools, churches, and shopping centers. This is hypocrisy. Gun Controllers benefit from private gun ownership through lower burglary rates, yet they will be challenging us to collectively put up the "NO GUN SIGNs". Pound this hypocrisy home people.

§ To only a lesser extent our opposition is proposing that we provide the same courtesy for the criminal element. They will be proposing amendment after amendment listing venues and facilities in which permits to carry will not be valid. ALL MUST BE DEFEATED. Property owners should reserve that right unto themselves as to how they want to deal with permit holders. It should not be statutorily mandated.

§ Permit Holders know that the safest place for their firearm is with them. Each venue or facility for which permits are exempt will create a firearm thief's dream shopping experience. All they have to do is to watch as see which cars have unattended firearms in them. Break in and steal them. It is the fulfillment of gun controller's dreams, to legislate more gun thief opportunities. THE SAFEST PLACE FOR A FIREARM IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ITS OWNER. PERIOD

§ Any venue or facility limitation will also affect retired cops. So after 25 years of service, Joe retires, goes to a Vikings game and right behind him is the a past collar with a attitude. It is not right to deny those who have risked their lives for the sake of Political Correctness.

We should get the jump on the opposition and the media. Be sure those legislators understand that you expect them to think logically about the MPPA. Speak often, politely and firmly.

Get these words out strong and clear.
 
15 days max, thats a good idea. It sure makes a lot more sense than a 90 day wait, considering computerized background checks and such.

Kharn
 
The "moderate" Republicans who have no principles to guide them are once again running scared. One of them (who ran for office as a RTC supporter) voted "no" along with the Democrats. Then he ran over to our guys and wanted to be forgiven.

Second rule of politics: Never forgive, never forget, always get even.

THe shirker is Lynn Wardlow from Dist. 38B in Eagan. If you live there, call him at 651-296-4128 and express your displeasure and long memory. His e-mail address is [email protected].
 
Years ago, well, 5, I went to my local PD to fill out the paperwork for carry.

The chief wouldn't even give me the forms; citing the fact that he doesn't issue to anyone and the paperwork would therefore be a waste of both of our time.

I can't wait, I'll go in and demand the dang papers. Fill them out while I'm there, and dog him until its issued.
;) -Kframe
 
The language in the bill is rather specific about the US citizenship requirement. My question is, will legal, permanent residents who are not US citizens be allowed to carry, if the bill passes?

DL
 
I've exchanged several emails with Mr. Wardlow over the last couple of days. His explanation is essentially that he heard some things during the testimony on the bill that caused him some concerns, and that he wanted to check them out. He now says he has done the checking, and his fears about the bill are gone. He did not, however, firmly commit to how he would vote in the future, he only implied. So we'll see.
 
My question is, will legal, permanent residents who are not US citizens be allowed to carry, if the bill passes?


My understanding is yes, they will. That was spicifically mentioned at the hearing...

Id have to read through the bill to find the language, but i know its in there...


Diesle
 
Diesle, no he was not. I wrote back saying he was being "to put it charitably, vague." His second response acknowledged that fact. He added, for the second time, that he had been in touch with Todd Adkins of the NRA in Washington. I don't pretend to know what that means. He went on to say that after talking to Adkins and many others his fears were gone. That's all I can report. At least he responded, which merits some measure of respect.

Edited to change "did" to "was."
 
I don't pretend to know what that means.


Ill bet that he means 'step aside son and let us big boys do our work'..... Very reasuring. Thanks for the info.....


Diesle
 
As a candidate, Rep. Lynn Wardlow refused to fill in the Candidate Questionaires of both the NRA and CCRN. Thus he was rated a "?". As it says in the political preference charts of both organizations, "?" rated candidates are ALMOST ALWAYS closet ANTIS. Wardlow proves this rule.

Any pro-gun residents of Eagan who voted for him anyway "because he was a Republican" should reconsider their votes. This man needs to be a one-term legislator. It will be good for him and it will send a message to all other "moderate" Republicans that gun owners never forget and always get even. That's a message that NEEDS to be send from time to time and which we cannot let Legislators forget.

If you live in Eagan, now is the time to start looking for a Republican challenger, to begin build coalitions with other Republicans, and to get involved in Republican activities so Wardlow can be beaten for the party endorsement and in the primary, if any. The 21 months available before the 2004 election will disappear if you don't start the unelection campaign NOW.
 
Blast this MN Senator with your thoughts. He is one of THE talking bobble heads at the MN State Senate. A real sheep hurder...

Wes Skoglund
State Senator

[email protected]
 
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