MO CCW travelling to IL for 3 day job.

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What must I do to be in compliance with IL state laws? I am a licensed CCW permit holder in MO and I'd prefer not to leave it at home. Illinois state law states that it is "illegal to possess a firearm without a valid FOID", (Firearms Owners ID Card) which, as a Missouri resident, I obviously don't have.

I have been told that I simply need to:

1. Remove the loaded magazine

2. Place pistol in it's case along with the loaded magazine.

Continue on about my business.

I normally carry in a heavy duty fanny pack designed for CCW. I have also been told that a fanny pack is considered a "case", and that if the gun is unloaded, I'd probably be fine. Not interested in being a test case, though.

Anybody got the definitive word?

Thanks in advance for your input as I prepare to enter the Socialist Republic of Illinois.

(Small joke. IL residents take a deep breath.)
 
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm
To legally transport in IL the gun has to be unloaded and in a case.
The mag can be in the same case as the gun but there is no requirement that the mag be in a case.
The mag can be loaded or unloaded.
A loaded mag cannot be in a gun.
An unloaded mag can be in the gun.
You do not need a FOID card since you are not an IL resident. FOID only applies to IL residents and as a non-resident you cannot get nor do you need one.
A firearm case is defined by statute as "a container specifically designed for the purpose of housing a gun or bow and arrow device which completely encloses such gun or bow and arrow device by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened with no portion of the gun or bow and arrow device exposed." The case does not have to have a lock but it does have to have some method of closure such as the zipper, snap, tie, etc.
Carrying a firearm around, not just transporting from point A to point B, in a fanny pack could put a person in a position where they could be a test case. In 2001-2002 the fanny pack carry became widespread with the public. Some groups were calling it "6 seconds to safety" even tho there was no legal precedent or statute dealing with anything involving 6 seconds or any time limits. Without these groups contacting any legal authority they were claiming an empty gun in a fanny pack with a loaded mag in the pack was legal. As a result my agency was getting constant calls from the public and other law enforcement agencies as to the legality of fanny pack carry. We contacted the IL AG for his opinion. The AG at the time was Jim Ryan who was running for governor. Same Jim Ryan who is running for governor this year. He refused to release an opinion on fanny pack carry and said he would leave the interpretation and action up to the individual state's attorneys in each of the 102 counties. We then contacted every one of the state's attorneys to see how they planned to address the issue. The opinions we got ranged from 1) "it's legal and nothing to prosecute" to 2) "it's illegal and prosecute every instance" to 3) "make the arrest, seize the firearm, write the report, and the decision to prosecute will be made on a case by case basis after reading the report." #3 was the most common response.
What that meant was a person could fanny pack carry in one county and would not be prosecuted, cross the county line into another county and they would be prosecuted, or cross into the other county and have to wait up to 18 or 36 months before they knew if they were going to be prosecuted. Not much help to either LE and non-LE concerning what to do. But then the AG and SAs are all politcal creatures and few wanted to show their hand on a controversial issue that could impact their job at election time.
This survey was done nearly 8 years ago. There is a different AG and quite a few of the SAs have changed. However, I suspect that if the survey was done again today that the results would be about the same.
The caution is if a person wants to fanny pack carry then they need to be aware that it's not a cut and dry situation they could become a test case.
 
Wow...... talk about a comprehensive answer. Thanks a lot. So the fanny pack is out.

During my 3 days there, I will obviously not be "transporting from point A to point B". Am I good just having it in it's case, unloaded, with a loaded magazine in the case as well, with me at all times?

This would not look unusual. I will be with a travelling company (show: musicians, techs, singers, and dancers) and everyone will have a backpack anyway. So, in it's case, in the backpack, with me until I leave. Am I playing with fire or am I on sound legal ground here?
 
No problem. I answered that exact same question almost everyday for quite a few years.

No problem with having it in your vehicle but it will also depend on where you're at in the state. Some municipalities have passed ordinances which are more restrictive than state law.
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/ordinances.cfm
You can check here to see if you're going to any of these places. If so click on the town and it will give you their firearm ordinances. Not to panic tho when you see the list of towns. Most of those towns just passed zoning ordinances which apply to dealers and they sent their ordinance in to be included.
 
Well, I give up. It's the Harrahs casino in Metropolis which is in Massac County, I believe. The vehicle is not much help either. The entire company will be travelling by bus, so if I were to take it with me, it would be with me constantly, which I don't think the good state of Illinois would tolerate, or left in a hotel room, which is decidedly a bad idea.

So, I guess I get to spend a few days raising my situational awareness.

Thanks again for all your input.
 
Probably wouldn't be welcome in the casino with a gun no matter how it's carried. I don't recall if the Metropolis casino got metal detectors. There was some talk at one time of getting detectors in all the casinos. Don't recall what came of that.
Metropolis is really laid back country. Definitely not the big city crime area.
 
Probably wouldn't be welcome in the casino with a gun no matter how it's carried. I don't recall if the Metropolis casino got metal detectors. There was some talk at one time of getting detectors in all the casinos. Don't recall what came of that.


That thought occurred to me as well.
 
Bottom line -- if you're carrying around an unloaded gun with loaded magazine and it is discovered, you're going to be a test case. My advice is to leave it at home.
That is my plan. Thanks again for all the input. Very thorough and helpful.
 
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