Model 10-6??

[ZVP]

I read somewhere on the net that the 10-6 was actually testbed for the .357 cartrige on the "K" frame and that the .357 mags were developed from it?
My 10-6's heavy barrel is pinned plus threaded. I think that the rumor just may be true!
I still Won't even shoot +P's in it. Why harm as classic? It works great with standard.3&specials.
ZVP

 

[PapaG]

The 357 was developed about 30 or 40 years before Smith started putting numbers on their guns. He 357 was developed for the N fame series and only adapted to K frame (19) series in the 1960s. Sounds like some gun shop bull has been spread. Most Smith's had pinned barrels until economics precluded continuing it. The 10 May or not be safe, contact Smith. Some on here will tell you that guns are safe with ridiculous loads. Your gun, your hand. I will stay with what is stamped on the barrel. Your gun is a K frame. Smaller than the N. Yes, some K and even J frame guns are chambered in 357. See what Smith says.

 

[CajunBass]

Smith and Wesson made a run of Model 10-6's in 357 Magnum, for a police agency in NY (I think it was the NYSP, but I could be wrong). Anyway they did make such an animal. It did evolve into what we know today as the Model 13. Those guns do turn up from time to time, but they are clearly marked as 357's. I personally have never seen one, but have seen pictures of them on the Smith & Wesson forum.

You can shoot 38 P+ in a 10-6 until the cows come home. Rather you do or not is up to you. I don't shoot them in my Model 10's simply because (1) I'm too cheap to buy them and (2) I don't need them to punch a hole in a piece of paper.

 

[rcmodel]

Well, they had to start with a K-Frame in order to introduce the .357 Combat Magnum in 1955.

But, that was 7 years before the Model 10-6 charge was made in 1962.
And several years before the Model numbering system started.

So the 10-6 probably had nothing to do with it!

The NY State Police Purchased several thousand .357 chambered 10-6 4" heavy barrel guns.
This was done as a political move against the police being armed with Mangle'm revolvers.

To the average serf on the subway, the cops were still carrying the same old anemic .38 revolvers they always carried.

rc

 

[steveracer]

I had a 10-6 in .357 mag. It's a precursor to the model 13, vice 19. I got mine lettered, and it was part of a 1200 pistol order for NYSP.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/186866-10-6-357-magnum-score.html

 

[DPris]

How many answers do you need?
You brought it up in May on at least one other forum & your question was answered then.

We can say it again- Chuck Hawks was wrong when you mentioned it in May & Chuck Hawks is still wrong in October.

You've been corrected on your erroneous info regarding your 10 being a Lend Lease gun.
You've never explained why you thought it had been a British police gun at all.

Pinned plus threaded has nothing to do with it.
And +P won't hurt your 10 in the slightest.

Your 10 is a classic, but it's not the crown jewel you regard it as.
AS RC says- The 10-6 had nothing to do with the development of the .357 Mag revolvers at S&W.
Denis

 

[ZVP]

Sourpuss, I have never posted this topic before you are confused.
Yes I have posted about the lineage LPG my revolver.
So what?
The additional proofmarks support my story.
My questionwas simple enough I just wanted to learn of any supporting information is out there.
From the other sincere replies , I learned a lot. From you, a waste of time!

Noone asked you to moderate posts around here.
I suggest that if you have nothing helpful to add ,then refrain from posting just trying to cause friction...
To the other replies, thankyou very
Much for answering and informing me of the history! I see there is a very complex history here!
ZVP

ZVP

 

[DPris]

On May 15 a poster listing himself as ZVP on TFL forum stated he'd read Chuck Hawks' piece regarding the 10-6 and asking about the .357 relationship to the 10-6.

That poster said he knew his 10-6 was a Lend-Lease gun on loan to British Bobbies.
That poster was advised of the history of the 10-6 there, corrected on dates, advised his 10-6 could not possibly have been a WWII Lend-Lease gun, and asked more than once how or why he thought his 10-6 was ever a British Bobby service weapon.

That poster was advised his 10-6 would not have been "loaned" to any British police agency & never responded with any concrete reason to show his 10-6 had ever been owned or used by any police agency.

That poster was advised of the dates of production of the 10-6, which were obviously later than 1955 when the .357 Mag K-Frames were introduced.

If the ZVP here is not the ZVP there, I'll apologize & withdraw my previous statements in this post.

If you have POLICE MARKINGS on your 10-6, you never responded to requests to see them.

If you only have British PROOFMARKS, all that confirms (if they are British) is that the gun was sold in or through the British commercial network that requires all firearms imports into England to be proofed by them.

Unless you are not the same ZVP on the other forum, you knew the history of the 10-6 before you posted asking about its relevance to the .357 Mag here.

You are obviously very fond of your Smith, but you seem to keep making efforts to make it into something more than it is, and when it clouds the facts for others, you can expect to be corrected, as you were on the other forum.
Denis

 

[ZVP]

Denis Obviously you ave made a careear f following me from forum to forum while I am seeking information on my revolver. Believe it or not , it is comon pratice to ask around different forums to get varied information to your quest.
Yes I asked elswhere.
I post many places.
Yes by the way there ARE two ZVP's but you needent bother knowing how or why.

I cannot get pictures to stick here on this Forum to show said marks. However I doubt that they would suffice to prove anything to you.
I'd sure like to know WHY it is of such importance to you to disprove my claims?
The individual I purhased this revolver from has a character beyond question also has two other similary marked Model 10's aquired direct from the overseas dealer who bought them at sale in GB.
I doubt neither seller andthough youare determined to run my rig down it botheres me little.
Perhaps you could help me run the history down and then we'd both be satisfyed.
As far as me trying to "make something special" out of my gun, it is special and one faceless stalkers opnion cannot sway my opnion nor the tale that goes with my revolver. I'd really appreciate your help proving/disproving what story I have been told.
Would you consider taking on the task of helping me?
The marks all over the revolver support the story that came with it, as do it's other two companions.
Please feel free to helpreserch this topic.
Thankyou in advance.
ZVP

 

[DPris]

Impossible to research anything with no real information.

You still do not provide any markings, in photo or even descriptive form, that tie your gun in with any POLICE organization in Britain.

I do not stalk you.
You happen to post about your Smith on more than one forum I participate in.

You post demonstrably erroneous info regarding your 10-6.
If you have multiple personalities, perhaps you should consult with them next time before asking for duplicative info on your gun, and posting more erroneous guesses about it.

As I told one of you ZVPs in May, I lived in England for two years in the mid-'70s & would be interested in seeing which agency, if any, your Smith might have been associated with.
You never provided any tangible information then to support your assertion then & aren't now.

You say you trust your source, but if he's the same source who told you originally it was a Lend-Lease gun, which it could not possibly be, he shows a marked lack of credibility right there.

You apparently continue to claim it was a British police "loaner", when no such "loans" in that time-frame are known to exist.
That's not the way revolvers were acquired by British police, to the best of my knowledge.

The gun MAY possibly have been owned by an English police agency.
It COULD possibly have been sold by one to whoever your friend bought it from there.
If it does have British proofs, it went through their proof house & indicates it was in that country, but that doesn't make it a police gun in & of itself.

You show no documentation whatever & are unable to provide any POLICE markings for the gun.
As I said earlier- British PROOFMARKS do not support your claim of a gun "loaned" to, or even bought by, British police.

All that aside & even if it was, you (or one of your personalities) knew the 10-6's manufacturing time-frame before you posted your question here about it being the "testbed" for S&W K-Frame .357 Mag origination, and saying you thought the "rumor just may be true".

It wasn't true & one of you ZVPs knew it before you posted it.

Regarding researching the possible police connection, you can do some of it yourself by buying a letter from Jinks at Smith & Wesson that would at least show a part of the trail as far as where it went when it left the maker.
It may have been sold directly to an English importer, which would clear up your "loan" claim right there.

When you post bad info & ask for info you already got from another forum months ago, you shouldn't feel too affronted when somebody points out both.
Denis

 

[1KPerDay]

Boy.... The bats are out tonight...

 

[steveracer]

Guys, this is stupid.
The man's name is Roy Jinks. He works in the capacity of Historian at S&W. He'll take your $50 and send you a letter telling you the ACTUAL origin of your revolver.
I did this with mine, and like I said above, it was an NYSP order. Most of them were not fielded, but they went to various Troops (like Divisions in other police agencies) around NYS.
Get a letter from Jinks, and then all of the various ZVPs can be happy. And it will add approximately $50 to the value of the gun to have the letter with it, so it's not wasted money.

 

[steveracer]

ZVP, just tell me why you have not contacted S&W about this. They are very easygoing about research, and they do a very nice job.
If you ACTUALLY want to know, call them, and you will get the ACTUAL story about your pistol.
And tone down the tough guy talk. Jeez.

 

[Robert]

Everyone needs to take a deep breath. We are done here.

 

[Sam1911]

I asked you nice now I'm telling you to stuff it, or I'll report you to the moderator and get you banned from this Forum for causing trouble!
Got it?

Ahem, no, you won't. You'd do well to listen to what Denis is telling you. And answer the questions he's asking of you.

If you want help posting pictures, I'm happy to assist.

If you care very much about this topic, getting a letter from Mr. Jinks is the FIRST step.

Now, please cool your ire and let's see how we can work together to get this answered once and for all.