Model 94 or 336?

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The Marlin is still being made. Winchester is gone. If you need parts or factory support, it's Marlin all the way. Older Winchesters are much better than the newer ones.

Marlin makes a crap gun, I have never shot one worth a damn (in any caliber)

This begs the question - is it Marlin or is it you? Having several Marlins that shoot fine.................. :p

Seriously, get some training and some trigger time on real firearms and you'll realize the silliness of that post. :rolleyes:
 
I absolutely love my 1942 manufactured 94. Geat balance, smooth, and great shooting. It just feels right. But for what i paid for it I could have two new 336's but id rather have the one 94
 
Sorry to get of the O.P. but!!!!!!!!!!!

This begs the question - is it Marlin or is it you? Having several Marlins that shoot fine..................

Seriously, get some training and some trigger time on real firearms and you'll realize the silliness of that post.

Yeah I see Marlins lined up at the cometitions everyday! Hahahahahahhahaha, are you serious? In your own words Seriously, are you serious? Hahahahahhahhaha, thats a good one! Real knee slapper!:D

I can out shoot you anyday. How much do you want to bet?:neener: I just have a higher expectation than most when it comes to accuracy. I know Marlin is not a horrible firearm, I have recommended the model 60 to several people, but you all must not stop and look at them on the rack. They look like someone used a can opener to cut the reciever (on bolt action anyways) and lever actions look like an old P.O.S. shotgun. Marlin is a entry level rifle, for beginners.

The Marlin is still being made. Winchester is gone. If you need parts or factory support, it's Marlin all the way.

In today's society people want cheap crap guns, Marlin fans have proven this. If people wanted quality the Winchester of old would still be around. Besides I know my Winchester 94 is not going to break.

I'll tell you what Al, go grab a Marlin .22lr, and I will grab my Remington or Winchester .22lr, and we will see who wins in the THR rimfire competition. I highly doubt if I see you there. Yes I just called you out.:neener:
 
Yeah I see Marlins lined up at the competitions everyday!
Plenty at the SASS/Cowboy action matches. That's about the only competition I can think of that uses lever action rifles. Are you saying that Winchester 94s are popular among the USPSA, bench-rest, CMP, or some other kind of rifle competition? That WOULD be pretty funny!

So, if the only competition that uses lever action rifles seems to see a variety that includes both Marlins and various Winchester models (by a number of manufacturers) among others... what was your point?

I can out shoot you anyday. How much do you want to bet? I just have a higher expectation than most when it comes to accuracy.
This is starting to be boorish behavior. Chest thumping of this type on an internet forum makes you look silly and weakens your position. Are you seriously proposing that you can out-shoot Al, and are willing to make whatever arrangements neccessary to travel and meet him at a range, and engage in a rifle competition of some sort ... and that if you did it would "prove" that your opinion is more worthy than his? If not, then leave the ego at the door.

I know Marlin is not a horrible firearm, I have recommended the model 60 to several people, but you all must not stop and look at them on the rack. They look like someone used a can opener to cut the reciever (on bolt action anyways) and lever actions look like an old P.O.S. shotgun.
We're not talking about bolt actions, and the only shotgun I can think of that the lever actions resemble in ANY way is the WINCHESTER 1887 / 1901. Which is a pretty cool old design. Just strange comments...

Marlin is a entry level rifle, for beginners.
:rolleyes: I guess I must be regressing. As I stated, I used to shoot a 94 quite a bit -- it's a classic, beautiful, and a fine firearm -- and now use two Marlin lever-actions (among many others). And they're both more accurate and, for my purposes, have features I appreciate more.

It's cool that you prefer Winchesters. Just don't get all bruised if other folks don't and go making silly/boorish comments.

-Sam
 
I know the OP has made his decision but I'll weigh-in anyway.

I've never shot a Winchester 94. I've shot several Marlin's, and have a new one, still unfired in my safe right now. The reason I've never shot a Winchester is because ever one of them I've ever handled felt and sounded like the guts were going to fall out when I worked the lever. They felt cheap and sloppy to me. The Marlin has always felt "solid" on the other hand. The fact that it's easier to mount a scope doesn't hurt it either.

Now, they must not be I admit. They've (Winchester) sold millions of the things so somebody must like them
 
Either would be a good choice. A pre-64 Win 94 is now in the collector category and expensive but if you went that way you`d getting a fine piece of Americana plus a good shooting rifle.
The 94 seems a little rattle-e for my money but I`d buy one in a minute. If
it was in 32Spl that is. Sadly, they (who ever) want to much for them.
Anything past 1964 the quality went down so the pre-64 would be the only way to go...IMO

The Marlin 336 is well built (no post-64 problems here) and with the new Hornady Ammo, Lever-E it brings new life (distance and some power) to the 30-30, Rem 35 and others.
Qualiy is not an issue as it`s been rated in several gun magazines in the top 10. As was the "94" in some.
For my money, consider the Marlin 336. Look one over and feel the balance. If you have any local Gun Shows, have a look-see. Check pricing.
As you asked the question about both, for "me" it`s a Marlin 336.
Have had both and both were great but in the final analysis quality,balance
and over all appeal spells.........Marlin 336. Like everybody else, it`s my opinion.
 
go making silly/boorish comments

Didn't think I did.

I do apologize to everyone that I offended. I am just a big grump butt these days. I was only stating my opinion (might have been to strong for some) of Marlin, I don't think to highly of them these days. Some of my posting were not of The High Road and I apologize again.

Are you seriously proposing that you can out-shoot Al, and are willing to make whatever arrangements neccessary to travel and meet him at a range, and engage in a rifle competition of some sort ... and that if you did it would "prove" that your opinion is more worthy than his? If not, then leave the ego at the door.

No, I would not meet him somewhere. I was suggesting we have an online competition since we are so far away. One of integrity much like the online matches we have here at THR.
 
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When and if my M94 makes it back from the gunsmith, I'll see how it shoots. It was broken NIB. Parts availability is nil.

The family pre 64 M94 is simply in a different class - sort of like comparing a 3.00 dollar chinese hammer to an Estwing. Same basic design, significant assembly and materials differences.
 
I have 3 m 94 Winchesters, all commerative models and 8 Marlins. The Marlin is just smoother, probably because the lever does not have the extra link that drops down like the Winchester. The Marlin does have a bolt that rises vertically, although not as far as on the Winchester and is not visible when the gun is assembled. It goes up into the notch where the 2 piece firing pin pivots down and when the lever closes moves the firing pin into firing position and locks the bolt from rearward movement.
 
The family pre 64 M94 is simply in a different class - sort of like comparing a 3.00 dollar chinese hammer to an Estwing. Same basic design, significant assembly and materials differences.

I don't think it's fair to lump all Winchester 94s made after 1963 in the same state of mediocrity as evidenced in the Winchester "post '63" era of transition. Certainly, for several years following 1963, almost all of Winchester products were cheapened to make them more "competitive" in the market place; the best example perhaps being the "Rifleman's Rifle", the Model 70. As time went on, however, Winchester started improving their product line in terms of material, workmanship and, in some cases, design. IMO, these improvements and updates included the Model 94. Though maybe not as fine as pre-64s, Model 94s made in the last couple of decades or so are much better made firearms than those that were made immediately after 1963 and the several years following .
 
336, 336, 336!!!

Anyways here's some Proefessinal Chuck Hawks opinions on the subject;);

Marlin 336 advantages


Perhaps the biggest advantage possessed by the Marlin 336 is its solid top receiver, which allows a telescopic sight to be mounted low and overbore using a one-piece base (as opposed to a side mount or two-piece base). The Marlin action is reputed to be stronger than the Winchester action, due to its solid top receiver and round bolt. Its internal mechanism is simpler and easier to work on.

The Marlin's catalog weight is 3/4 pound heavier than the Winchester's, which helps to moderate recoil. The difference is not great, but it is noticeable. Of course, this also makes the 336 a slightly greater burden to carry over long distances. At only 7 pounds, however, the 336 is still a lightweight rifle.

The Marlin action feels tighter than the Winchester action, there is less lever slop, and the floorplate does not drop away from the receiver when the centrally mounted lever is operated, as does the Model 94. All of this adds up to an impression of solidity and quality that inspires confidence. As a friend of mine, who owns and shoots Model 94's, admitted: "The Marlin action feels more substantial."

The 336 comes with detachable sling swivel studs, which is a definite plus. The Marlin's walnut stock comes with a fluted comb, which I find attractive. I also like the solid rubber butt pad better than the Winchester's hard plastic butt plate.

The stainless steel barreled action of the 336SS is a definite plus. It looks good and offers the definite benefit of lower maintenance.

Winchester 94 advantages

The biggest supposed disadvantage of the Model 94, now that the top ejection has been replaced by angle ejection, is the open top receiver. When the bolt is all the way to the rear, bits of debris (snow, twigs, and the like) could theoretically drop into the action. But no one complains about the open top receivers of bolt action rifles, where exactly the same situation pertains. Personally, I think it is a non-issue.

The main advantages of the Model 94 are that its receiver is slightly slimmer than the Marlin 336, and has a flat bottom. This is due to its open top receiver and the fact that its lever is hinged internally rather than externally. The lever is also placed well toward the rear of the receiver. This design complicates the mechanism of the Model 94 (John Browning's designs tend to be over-engineered, yet very reliable), but make it exceptionally comfortable and convenient for one hand carry.

The standard Model 94 stock has a straight hand, which I prefer to the pistol grip stock on the Marlin 336C and 336SS, and also a slimmer forend. These features, together with the 94's slimmer receiver, make the whole rifle handier, trimmer, and slightly more attractive than the Marlin (at least to me), although both are good looking rifles. If there were an award for the "World's Best Handling Hunting Rifle," I would nominate the Winchester Model 94.

These differences make the Model 94 Traditional walnut slightly lighter than a Model 336C; a benefit if the rifle must carried long distances. Lower weight inevitably means more recoil, but most shooters find the Model 94 in caliber .30-30 reasonably pleasant to shoot.

Last, the Model 94 Traditional-CW is somewhat less expensive than the Model 336C. The difference in price is not great, but it is real--and it is in Winchester's favor.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_marlin336_win94.htm


Of COURSE the Model 94's death warrant was served in 2006 but I seriousilY doubt it will stay dead F--O--R--E--V--E--R..........................I'm still in the denial stage of grief concerning Winchester Repeating Arms:eek:
 
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As demostrated in this thread some people simply can't tell the quality difference in firearms.

We all know the guy. He is the guy that thinks his springer milspec is the "same" as a vickers custom 1911 because "they are the same gun".

The quality of design and construction if easily seen between the two guns.

Oh..to answer the original question ...... 336.
 
Model 94 or 336

Model 94 for me. A brush gun should be lightweight. If I wanted to club a deer to death, I'd use the 336. :neener:
 
Howdy! I'm the OP and I see now that I asked a controversial question. I might have added the following details with the original post, but I was in a hurry.

I don't hunt, so weight isn't really an issue. This is for general outdoors fun and family security (with 150 gr), and home defense (with 125 gr).

I also like nice blued steel and unmarred wood if I can find it, so that rules out most 94s of the requisite quality (pre 64, pre war, whatever). There are probably more clean 336s out there than clean 94s, and Marlin sellers don't seem to be under any illusions that their guns merit collector prices. :rolleyes:

The last 94 I handled was a pre-64 and it was very stiff. That's rare, I admit, but it colored my perception some. There were two used 336s in the same rack and they were both smooth as butter. I agree the Winchester is lighter, but there's something to be said for 'substantial.'

So, in light of those requirements, I found a very clean 1969 336 and bought it. It looks like new, and I'm sure it won't suck at busting milk jugs in meadows. :)
 
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