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Modernized Tanto

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Tired_and_hungry, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. Tired_and_hungry

    Tired_and_hungry Member

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    If one has to spend a week or so in a foreign wilderness area without the right to carry firearms and the local fauna includes wild dogs and cougar like wild cats who have been known to attack humans, would this knife make a good self defense blade?

    http://www.crkt.com/2915
     
  2. blarby

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    If you plan on slash dancing with it, sure.

    You aren't likely to get this opportunity in a wild cat mauling.

    If you are more interested in a pig-sticker, I would get one.

    More of a penetrating style, such as :

    http://www.crkt.com/Hissatsu

    And a considerably lower price point for such a limited excursion.

    Its also considerably smaller- which if you have one or two strike chances at half-arms length, you are going to appreciate.
     
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  3. JShirley

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    This is really a traditional style tanto. The abomination many US companies call a tanto is not.

    I like the size of this knife, but I think something like the Ontario RTAK-II would be better for wandering around in the wilds- and the RTAK has a guard. Even better, though, would be a good 4' stick. Or both.

    John
     
  4. hso

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    Yep, that's not a "modernized" anything (well, perhaps the blade material).

    As John points out most people have been sold a bill of goods and lead to believe that the broken tip looking thing called a "tango" isn't a traditional tanto at all, but is a clever marketing campaign by Cold Steel. Sadly it is also a rip off of one of the great custom knife makers, Bob Lum, that CS didn't attribute (no surprise there in their early days).

    As to the knife in question, it is the Hissatsu's big brother and it is an effective defensive knife design that would work. OTOH, you need a knife in the woods and adding another that won't work for general camp choirs is adding weight you don't need. I advise you pick a good 3-4" fixed blade camp knife that you know how to keep sharp and carry it instead. You'll use it a lot more and will be much more familiar with it.
     
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  5. JimStC

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    You might consider one of the Ka Bars. The D2 Extreme Fighting/Utility knife is a good candidate or any other along that design. Metal butt cap for hammering. Guard, as John mentioned too.
    I'd prefer one without the serration but this one came to mind as I recently gave one to a friend
    Ditto on the 4' stick too. Especially with a spear point.

    Jim
     
  6. Dave Markowitz

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    Personally, I think you'd be better off with a spear so you maintain more distance between yourself and the animal.

    You could make one with a hiking staff and get a spear head or hollow handle knife like a Cold Steel Bushman. If you're in a place where the sight of a spear might cause alarm you could remove it.
     
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    He didn't name the country he was visiting, or even the continent, but wild dogs + cougar-like wild cats sounds like Africa to me. No lack of spears there.
     
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    The "foreign" part didn't register when I read the OP, but you're right, a spear probably wouldn't be a problem in many parts of Africa. In fact, he might be able to get one locally that would make a great souvenir after he comes home.
     
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    I really like all the James Williams designs that CRKT produces. Much better than 90% of the "modern" or "american" tanto bladed knives available today. I'm not really sure they are the best choice for the situation you describe, however.

    I think I agree with blarby, for self-defense against animal attack I think a stout stabbing blade would be my choice. I just can't envision engaging a big dog or cat at slashing range for long enough to put them down. I would expect it to be either out of knife range or right on top of you. A long knife like the Shinbu might be hard to maneuver with an animal in biting/clawing range.
     
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    Or even better a 5' long stick. The idea is to keep any wild animal away from you. If you were to get close enough to a big cat to TRY and use a knife on it, you are going to lose the fight 999 times out of 1,000.
     
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    That depends upon what you consider loosing?

    Predators want to avoid injury because it hurts their long term survival chances. A strong enough resistance will cause the predator to break off and look for easier prey. If survival is the goal a vicious enough defense will have a better chance of success. If your goal is to avoid any injury you're less likely to succeed.
     
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    $350?!!!

    Screw that. A decent camp knife and a machete should cost less than $100. And you won't cry if they get lost or taken by customs/leo during your travel.
     
  13. JShirley

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    Want vs. need

    As I said, not sure of what you need, but as for what you said you want...

    prototype only
     

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    I have two Masai lion spears. One has a 12 inch blade sharpened on both sides attached to a steel rod inserted into a wooden handle. This is the killing spear. The other has an elongated (5") arrowhead shaped blade on a steel rod that is 6' long encased in wood. Considering that the Masai kill lions singlehanded to prove their manhood and many males are still alive, I would presume they know what they are doing. A knife of any type does not appear to be in the mix. Get a spear.
     
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    With a sharp point. 3' to 4' would be my choice. Easy to control (faster re-strike) and hard for the animal to get "inside" of, unlike longer weapons. It's an animal, we do not have to keep a sword carrying person at bay here. Shorter is just fine.
     
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