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If the mods feel this is off-topic or inappropriate, then please lock or delete it, with my apologies in advance.

The link is to a Reason Magazine article and video showing a police raid where they storm in and shoot the dogs (one of them a little corgi for gods sake!) in front of a seven year old child, then charge the home owners with child endangerment because a misdemeanor amount of marijuana is found.

Watching the video makes me sick in the pit of my stomach. What if the home owner had a gun and these men-in-black shot his lap dog in front of the child, and he felt provoked or afraid enough to shoot? Stupid question - I guess he'd soon be dead, and maybe a policeman or two as well.

I'm not anti-cop. I like and respect police, with very few exceptions over the years. Yet, this militarization is a frightening thing. It's coming from the federal government who supply local agencies with these arms and training - and then somebody feels they need to use it, even when it's wholly inappropriate!

Please watch this and let me know your feelings.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri
 
I watched that video in horror and outrage! I've long said that the war on drugs would be out downfall and it's the 2nd Amendments worst enemy also. Most anti-gun laws stem from the war on drugs (including prohibition).

It's a costly endless war that imprisons too many of our citizens, turning them in to hardened criminals after their 5 year sentences. The costs are insurmountable with police, courts, prisons, and all of the associated direct and indirect costs.

It also sends billions of dollars to terrorist states who supply it (Columbia, Afghanistan, etc.).

Legalize it and tax it.
 
It that were my house, this would be the beginning of a civil suit against the department and I'm sure a jury of my peers would agree after they view that video.
 
The scary part is that if you slept through the brief 'announcement that it was the police' and were awoken to the storming of men and shooting in your house, you could very well come out guns blazing and kill and/or be killed for what you perceive as very real self defense (and not 'criminal police activity').

I've served in our armed forces, and deployed to war. I am a proud patriot of what I believe America to be, and a defender of the US Constitution.

But I am ashamed when I see what aweful things our nation allows and endorses sometimes, like this video. This isn't what I want our country to be.
 
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I haven't watched the video, but I've read enough accounts of this sort of thing that I don't believe I would waste my time with a civil suit. If this happened to my family, I would consider it a declaration of war against me, and I would seek vengence. (because nobody ever gets justice in these incidents, the system is stacked against the victims)

My favorite example is where sheriff's deputies delivered a box of pot to the front porch of a mayor's house. When he got home, he saw the box and took it inside, and the swat team stormed in and shot his dogs and terrorized his family. He tried suing the county, but even a politically connected person like a mayor was not able to get any kind of justice, so what chance do I have.
 
leadcounsel said:
The scary part is that if you slept through the brief 'announcement that it was the police' and were awoken to the storming of men and shooting in your house, you could very well come out guns blazing and kill and/or be killed for what you perceive as very real self defense (and not 'criminal police activity').

I am ashamed when I see what aweful things our nation allows and endorses.
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Yup, and I bet all you would see on the news is that a crazed man opened fire on the police but they killed him in the gun battle.
 
My G-d that was horrible.
I'm a real dog lover, and hearing those dogs whimper in pain as they were shot for absolutely no good reason sickened me.

I know that they have to make split second decisions. I really do feel for the cops who have to make that shoot/don't shoot decision in fractions of a second. It's gotta be really hard on them.
BUT, I can't believe that in that home there was anything that even remotely warranted pulling that trigger.

I hope whoever was in charge of that raid has his @$$ handed to him.

On the other hand, I also hope that a public backlash doesn't have SUCH a chilling effect on the cops that they are too afraid to pull the trigger when it really IS warranted.

There's a very fine line here.
 
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I haven't watched the video, but I've read enough accounts of this sort of thing that I don't believe I would waste my time with a civil suit. If this happened to my family, I would consider it a declaration of war against me, and I would seek vengence. (because nobody ever gets justice in these incidents, the system is stacked against the victims)

My favorite example is where sheriff's deputies delivered a box of pot to the front porch of a mayor's house. When he got home, he saw the box and took it inside, and the swat team stormed in and shot his dogs and terrorized his family. He tried suing the county, but even a politically connected person like a mayor was not able to get any kind of justice, so what chance do I have.
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Sadly, I'm sure you are correct.
 
Yup, and I bet all you would see on the news is that a crazed man opened fire on the police but they killed him in the gun battle.
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Everytime I hear a story about a 'crazed gunman' I often wonder what it was that pushed him to the edge. Perhaps something similar to this video? Keep this video in mind next time you hear of a 'crazed gunman' and police standoff.

Maybe at some point in the future 'we the people' WILL have had enough and vote with tools other than at the ballot box... Isn't that what the 2A is all about, anyway?
 
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Isn't that what the 2A is all about, anyway?
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I think it used to be. Ya' know. Before it stopped being politically correct. :rolleyes:

That tree of liberty stopped being watered by the blood of patriots and tyrants a long time ago.
 
Funny how no evidence of a 'drug lab' or illegal items was shown in the video. I find it hard to believe that endangering peoples' lives, especially the 7 year old child, killing at least one dog, hundreds of dollars in property damage, and thousands of dollars in taxpayers money (for the payment of the police-probably on overtime-, equipment, etc.) is worth the bag of pot they probably got in the raid.

I am just sickened and outraged by this video (and all of the senseless raids that it represents).

I just know that I would not react very sanely if I were in the homeowners situation afterthefact.
 
You wouldn't get any justice in a civil suit. Shooting the dogs is considered "tactical" and legal by the courts. Of course, it isn't about tactics at all, it's about creating complete terror to overwhelm thoughts of resistance.

The biggest insult here, is that after storming in and shooting this child's little corgi in front of his eyes, they then charge the parents with "child endangerment". I can't imagine what terrible psychological damage they've done to this child with this insane behavior.
 
Well, just to be accurate with the facts, I did hear many shots and the sounds of one dog being killed. But I did see another living dog in the hallway near the bedroom. I think that one dog was shot and killed, and the other dog not.

It is an outrage just the same.
 
Well ... they better knock politely when they come to my house.

And they could call early too.

I am a heavy sleeper.

I get up to urinate in the garden in the middle of the night with my handgun in my robe.
 
My favorite example is where sheriff's deputies delivered a box of pot to the front porch of a mayor's house. When he got home, he saw the box and took it inside, and the swat team stormed in and shot his dogs and terrorized his family. He tried suing the county, but even a politically connected person like a mayor was not able to get any kind of justice, so what chance do I have.

wow way to fictionalize a story radley balko has competition
 
I'm shutting up about the pot thing. But I will say that possession does not in and of itself indicate child neglect.

I am racking my brain here to see how a corgi would ever be enough of a threat to justify discharging a gun in a home. We talk ad nauseum about what happens when you shoot a gun in the house and what the risks are, and a dog that MIGHT, in its very worst rabid state be able to bite through your trousers below the knee is not worth it.
 
I recommend that everyone involved in this thread go back and reacquaint themselves with the forum rules, especially if you've not been here for a while. Discussions not DIRECTLY related to guns are simply off topic.
 
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