Mosin Nagant vs. My Face

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I was going to post this last winter, but never got around to it. Another THR'er asked me about it in a PM, and since I have it typed up, I've been meaning to ask about this.

Last winter, my wife and I went down to the local cinder pit to shoot. It can be a real yahoo scene. This time, there were 3 drunk Lithuanian men shooting at empty vodka bottles at 50 yds with an M44. They had no ear or eye protection :eek: and each one had a flinch like you wouldn't believe, like 18" of flinch. :scrutiny: Yeah, I know, we should have left. Anyway, they were friendly and offered to let me shoot. (in general, I am not into making a mess with glass, but this was their gig and the Pit has bigger worries). I don't recall precisely, but I think I remember being surprised that they were shooting Olympic (Greek?) ammo. I didn't know there was Greek 7.62x54.

I lined up the sights and squeezed the trigger. For the first time that afternoon, a bottle broke, but I felt a hot spray across my face.

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Notice the spray across my lenses as well.

It felt worse than it looks. Each one of those blood spots (including the bigger one between my eyebrows) had a flake of black debris at the bottom of it. I ejected the shell, looked at it for a pierced primer or blowout, and seeing none, dropped it on the ground. I handed the rifle back to the Lithuanian man and thanked him. He wanted me to take another shot (he was excited that I had broken a bottle), but I politely declined. They went back to firing it and it seemed to operate just fine.

Then I went home to pick black bits of who knows what (lead? mercury-based primer?) out of my face with a needle. I still have no idea what the heck happened. My only guess is that as a lefty, I was catching some debris spray that the right-handed Lithuanians were not.

I admit that one shot from one rifle is a pretty small sample to judge all 100,000,000+ Mosins by. If this had not happened, I'm sure I would have had a great time with the friendly Lithuanians and picked up some variety of $69 Mosin on the way home that day. I searched this on other forums, and didn't find any reference to this happening to anyone else. I chalk it up to a fluke, from a very likely poorly-maintained and possibly-abused rifle. I don't know what one would look for on the rifle to determine what did this. Headspace? Bolt wear? Stuffing Greek surplus .30-06 into a Mosin? :confused:

Any ideas what caused this? As a history enthusiast AND a cheapskate, I want to like Mosins, but this was just unpleasant.
 
I don't think the bolt would close up on .30-06, although if it somehow did due to excessive headspace, that may have caused the spray. It may also just have been very loose bolt lockup and/or steel cased ammo (which does not expand to fill the gaps between the cartridge and the chamber as well as brass). I've had a couple of times where I felt like I got sprayed by something in the face when firing my M44, but never had any physical wounds from it. I just figured it was concussion.
 
Headspace, i think.
shell is allowed to slide back slightly, and the carbon/gas blows by in the gap, into your face.
Doesnt even need a gap, just a spot where the shell isnt sealing against the chamber as well, gas does the rest to get through.

Exccessive crap will do the same thing, how was working the bolt?
Was that greek laquered? (i dont think it is, from memory, but i ask anyhow)
 
The Greek stuff (Olympic) was noted a long time ago as being crappy ammo. But seeing that they were that careless (drinking, shooting glass, etc), I'm sure they didn't know if the weapon was safe to shoot anyway.

jm
 
Headspace issues are fairly common and easily fixed in Mosins. I know this is an obvious suggestion, but just google for instructions. Of course, it's not your rifle, and 3 drunk Lithuanians aren't likely to spend time on THR reading your post. Just saying...
 
Bulgarian has done that to me before.

Check your rounds before using them for imperfections.
 
i just fired one for the first time today.

liked it so much i bought one.

no troubles like that, just your basic, everyday, shoulder artillery.


p.s. i loved your song "sunday, bloody sunday"

where did you come up with the name "U2" for your band?
 
Seems like the consensus is headspace, allowing gas and crud to blow back around the cartridge and zap me. If I run across a good deal locally, I will probably pick it up.

BobOfTheFuture said:
Was that greek laquered? (i dont think it is, from memory, but i ask anyhow)
This was last winter. I don't really remember. I vaguely recall that it was brass?


krochus said:
In Russia you no shoot rifle, rifle shoots you
:D

jpwilly said:
I've shot 7 different Mosins 6 of them mine. I'm a lefty and haven't been sprayed by anything yet...
I was waiting to hear this. I thought it might just be the wrong platform for LH. I might have to get one before they're gone.

FlyinBryan said:
p.s. i loved your song "sunday, bloody sunday"

where did you come up with the name "U2" for your band?
This took me a minute but now that I think of it, I have gotten that before!
 
lol, ya, i was hoping you would see the humor in it.

but seriously, there is a striking resemblance between you and bono, and the cool shades were the icing on the cake.
 
on a funny side note, we bought two mosins today, but im sure they dont do that.

i think maybe your right about that one possibly having something wrong with it.

im not a lefty but my bud was shooting one at the range today and i was sitting on his right side about two feet from the rifle and i didnt feel anything, not even a breeze.

it must be an isolated issue.
 
If Bono had a poorly-headspaced Mosin blast him in the grill during a bad hair day 20 years ago, then yes, perhaps that is what it would look like. :evil:
 
id bet bad headspace on it

its probably powder idk how it got out of the chamber but oh well it may have had something to do with the god awful muzzle blast

that or maybe it was a hot shell and it sprayed powder or someething out of the gas port
 
It actually may have been some of the glass coming back.

Me and a friend of mine, when we were in highschool would go shooting up at his house with my 91/30. We would take these softball sized bits of sandstone and shoot them at somewhere between 45-100yds.
Well one day, we were hiking along when he spotted a particuarly attractive target. A supposedly sandstone bit about the size of a small melon about 20yds away.
He was the one with the rifle.
In one smooth motion he took it off his shoulder, aimed and fired. What I can remember is a big white-ish cloud expanding in front of us, all slow-motion and whatnot. Next thing I know I hear 'Oh s***!' and my friend rubbing his face like it's on fire. I run up to check up on him and he had little marks that were pretty similar to yours all over his face and arms. Checked up on what remained of the rock and found out it was actually a combination sandstone/granite/quartz. Needless to say we stopped shooting at rocks and changed over to pop cans which are a little less dangerous when wounded :p
 
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