Mossberg 500E "Home Security" Choke?

[ApacheCoTodd]

Just traded for this unfired little weirdo. Laser works. Clean as a whistle.
Looking at Mossberg's site, they say it has a "spreader choke. I could find no warnings or limitations regarding loads with this but though I'd check here as well.

Any dangerous load/"Spreader Choke" combination?

Todd.

 

[Miked7762]

Safety-wise there is nothing to worry about.

But frankly, the thing is pretty useless. It's just an expansion of the bore about 3" from the muzzle. It gives the pattern of a 3" shorter barrel with a cylinder choke, but in a legal length. You'll notice no difference with anything that uses a plastic shot cup or with any type of buckshot.

 

[bangswitch]

Safety-wise there is nothing to worry about.

But frankly, the thing is pretty useless. It's just an expansion of the bore about 3" from the muzzle. It gives the pattern of a 3" shorter barrel with a cylinder choke, but in a legal length. You'll notice no difference with anything that uses a plastic shot cup or with any type of buckshot.

Besides, a 00 buckshot load will only have about 6 pellets. You'd rather have them in a fairly tight group to do any real damage . .410 is really at its best, such as that is, shooting #6 to #8 shot.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

For me - it's just a funky novelty piece.

As long as it's not dangerously finnicky about feeding, I'll just consider it a lethal toy.

I certainly have more realistic options around to stake my life on.

I'm thinking I might fake up a 3/4 scale 590A1 just for fun.

Todd.

 

[JWH321]

Sorry, I re-read the original post. My response was irrelevant.

 

[4thPointOfContact]

I go back and forth, mentally, about how useful a .410 would be for household defense. On the one hand, it's tiny compared to a 12 gauge, but on the other it's still a 'cartridge that starts with a 4' which isn't too shabby.

I suppose I'll never be happy until the one .410 shotgun I really want is ever produced.

 

[Swing]

I'm not a huge fan of the .410, but I have to admit, that Grendel is off the charts with respect to "Neat-O" factor.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Well now. Here's a thread twist I didn't see coming.

.410s never really tripped my trigger. I've generally known them as 1 season "starter" guns or the tools of insufferable Euro-snobs. My experience - probably not yours.

After that...

Bullpups - aside from a couple-three eminently respectable examples like AUGs, the concept has left me colder than it did most other shooters.

Now, a Grendel... missed that one. I'm intrigued! Wouldn't that have been a stunner?

Todd.

 

[19-3Ben]

I have a 500E as well. I love the little thing, but mine has traditional wood stock and for end, and is not the "home security" model. Except with an 18.5" bead sight barrel, it's essentially the same.

It stays on my wife's side of the bed. I keep a 12ga. on mine, and she has the .410ga since she has an old back injury, and she can practice more, and get off faster followup shots with the lower recoiling round.
As for how effective it would be... we keep it stoked with 3" shells loaded with balls of 000buck. At 70gr. each, that comes out to 350 grains of lead flying out at around 1100fps or so with each and every pull of the trigger. You'd have to be one heck of a determined bad guy to want to face that and keep coming at in-home distances.

 

[Miked7762]

As long as it's not dangerously finnicky about feeding, I'll just consider it a lethal toy.

I think I phrased what I said poorly. I meant the choke is useless, not the shotgun. There are plenty of uses for a good .410.

 

[Johnny_B_Goode]

If you intend on using buckshot to defend your home get a 20ga. Yes, a 410 slug is lethal but it brings all the issues a rifle would bring with it. Personally I would pass on any tacticool shotgun for home defense. Someone tried most of the tacticool stuff 50 years ago. It didn't work well 50 years ago why is it going to work better now?

I would call Mossberg in regards to the spreader choke or try to download an owners manual for that specific gun. I like my face to much to take the word of someone in an internet forum. Trust but confirm.

 

[Drail]

Goofy guns for goofy people.

 

[MCgunner]

It's a truly great snake gun

So's a .38 snub with a 158 JHP. Or a garden hoe, though not a gun, I'll admit.

I learned to dove hunt with a .410 full choke. BOY, it was like dove hunting with a .22 rifle, couldn't be off much. I killed birds with it, though, so I guess it wasn't THAT bad.

 

[lonestarman]

Try the pdx1 ammo

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Try the pdx1 ammo

Funny you mention that - there was 1 round of PDX in it when I did the trade.

Todd.

 

[suemarkp]

410 buckshot is nothing to sneeze at. The Taurus Judge loads should be pretty good -- OOO buck that is hard. You get 4 in the 2.5" load and 5 in the 3". Since these balls are stacked straight, the pattern should be tight. They shoot just about as fast as a 12ga OO or OOO load. They are just a few pellets short of their 12ga bretheren.

I'm not going to stand in front of 5 OOO balls coming at me at 1200 fps.

There are some other loads if you want large pellets (a 40 caliber loading).

I would not use slugs in 410 -- they are just too light and fragile. Maybe some of the brenneke ones, but I think think the OOO buckshot pellets ae better. There are also some #4 buck loads, but they don't offer a whole lot more pellets for the penetration trade off.

 

[cluttonfred]

That Grendel will probably never materialize but I bet a semi-auto .410 shotgun as simple as a Hi-Point carbine, ambidextrous, would be quite popular as a home defense gun. It wouldn't need a huge magazine to be effective, 5-10 rounds are plenty, and it would be less likely to run afoul of present or future "assault weapons." It could be bullpup like that Grendel or just with a pistol grip and folding stock. Heck, for that matter, it wouldn't even need to be semi-auto. How about a lightweight polymer .410 Liberator? ;-)

 

[rogdigity]

http://www.utas-usa.com/news/uts-15-bullpup-tactical-shotgun

What about these guys? My dealer had one he was showing me. Looks like a mean little guy. I was impressed, yet I don't want a shotgun for HD (stupid biden). I prefer my baseball bat myself

Now if this thing was semi auto it would be quite a bit more impressive!!!