Mastrogiacomo
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These guns both look sweet. Which is the better gun of the two?
Mossberg Mariner vs Remington Magnum?
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357wheelgunner
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The Rem Marine Magnum feels much more solid than the mossberg, and parts are easier to obtain (odds are, however, that Rem 870 parts will never break in the first place).
Nuts590
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As much as I love my 590 Mariner 
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I've learned that versatility through variety is the spice of shotgun life... go with the Remington and don't look back... (now if you're talking about the marine magnum not just one of the various assorted 870s, that's another story.
) Get a Mossberg 500/590 Mariner when you want a single purpose piece. Accessories and spare barrels in the mariner finish are like hen's teeth.
; I've learned that versatility through variety is the spice of shotgun life... go with the Remington and don't look back... (now if you're talking about the marine magnum not just one of the various assorted 870s, that's another story.
) Get a Mossberg 500/590 Mariner when you want a single purpose piece. Accessories and spare barrels in the mariner finish are like hen's teeth.
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Mastrogiacomo
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Do they both shoot the same amount or does the Mossy fire 9. Can't recall but I know the Remy Marine fires six.
Zach S
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Although the remington will outlast the mossberg, the mossberg will still outlast me, and the controls on a mossberg are laid out better for me, due to my dominate left eye. The mossberg gets my vote.
Mastrogiacomo, the 18.5" 500 Mariner holds 5+1. They also have a 20" 590 that holds 8+1. IIRC those are the only marine shotguns they offer.
Mastrogiacomo, the 18.5" 500 Mariner holds 5+1. They also have a 20" 590 that holds 8+1. IIRC those are the only marine shotguns they offer.
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Mastrogiacomo
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I'm left eye dominant and right handed - hmmm....frankly, the 20" shouldn't be much bigger than the 18" and it'd be nice to have more rounds.
No_Brakes23
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I am an 870 fan here. But I find it odd that Winny and MossB can get more rounds out of the same space than Rem.
What is the deal with that?
What is the deal with that?
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Mastrogiacomo
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Looks like Remy is leaving Mossy in the dust. I've always been curious why they can't get more than six shells out the 870 Marine too.
I've always been curious why they can't get more than six shells out the 870 Marine too.No_Brakes23
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The capacity thing really bothers me. I can spend well over $200 turning my ExSuMag 870 with a 28" barrel into a decent HD gun, (Don't forget dremeling the mag stop out,) or I can spend $300 and get a Winchester 1300D ready to roll at 8+1.
Hmmm...
Hmmm...
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Mastrogiacomo
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Is the Winchester Defender a pump gun? I've looked at it on the site and like the looks but I'm not terribly savy around shotguns. My father just got his Remy 870 and we still need to figure that out. How complicated is the Winchester to maintain and use? Still drawn to the Marine too...
This is a really tough choice.
Remington has it over the Mossy in terms of durability and smoothness of action (IMO).
Mossberg puts the safety in the right place and has the capacity advantage.
Both will probably outlast the shooter.
I'd say buy the one that has the advantage in what's important to you. If capacity and the tang safety are a big deal, go for the Mossy. If you want a shotgun that is built like the proverbial brick outhouse, get the Remington.
I couldn't decide, I bought one of each.
Remington has it over the Mossy in terms of durability and smoothness of action (IMO).
Mossberg puts the safety in the right place and has the capacity advantage.
Both will probably outlast the shooter.
I'd say buy the one that has the advantage in what's important to you. If capacity and the tang safety are a big deal, go for the Mossy. If you want a shotgun that is built like the proverbial brick outhouse, get the Remington.
I couldn't decide, I bought one of each.
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Mastrogiacomo
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God help me....I might end up doing that myself.
No_Brakes23
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Yes, the Winchester 1300 is a pump. I have seen and used two examples of it. The first was cleaned after every firing and well taken care of. The second was never cleaned, pitted with rust and tossed around the back of a truck. Both shot fine and functioned flawlessly.
I voted for the Remington Marine Magnum, which I see is leading 18-6 over the Mossberg.
I have a Mossberg Mod. 88 that I trust with my life daily; it sits by my bed.
However, if I had to do it all over again, I would get a Remington because they are just nicer overall.
The best way for me to explain the difference is to have you go to a shop and handle specimens from both Remington and Mossberg.
The difference will be clear.
I'm going to get an 870 at some point, probably the Marine Magnum, but I'll never get rid of my Mossberg.
I have a Mossberg Mod. 88 that I trust with my life daily; it sits by my bed.
However, if I had to do it all over again, I would get a Remington because they are just nicer overall.
The best way for me to explain the difference is to have you go to a shop and handle specimens from both Remington and Mossberg.
The difference will be clear.
I'm going to get an 870 at some point, probably the Marine Magnum, but I'll never get rid of my Mossberg.
Black Majik
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My vote goes out to the Remington Marine Magnum.
Simply put, I prefer the fit and finish of the 870 much more than the 590.
Furthermore, for home defense, 6+1 is equally as useful as 8+1. Even 4+1 is suitable for home defense.
In the end, my guess is that both will equal around the same weight. The Mossberg will be lighter empty, since it has an aluminum receiver vs. the Remington's steel receiver. But those shells sure aren't light.
Oh yeah, the Remington also has a smooother action. The Winchester's action ain't bad either.
I the end, both are great guns. Flip a coin. But my vote goes to the 870.
Simply put, I prefer the fit and finish of the 870 much more than the 590.
Furthermore, for home defense, 6+1 is equally as useful as 8+1. Even 4+1 is suitable for home defense.
In the end, my guess is that both will equal around the same weight. The Mossberg will be lighter empty, since it has an aluminum receiver vs. the Remington's steel receiver. But those shells sure aren't light.
Oh yeah, the Remington also has a smooother action. The Winchester's action ain't bad either.
I the end, both are great guns. Flip a coin. But my vote goes to the 870.
Remington.
If the safety location is an issue, 10 dollars and 10 minutes of work will get you a Vang Comp Big Dome Safety which, in my opinion, trumps the Rem factory safety and rivals the Mossy tang safety.
Personally, I find Rems to be easier to clean and disassemble.
Also, the Marine Magnum is 6+1. If seven shells can't do the job, you could always throw on a butt cuff or sidesaddle for an extra 4-6 rounds.
If the safety location is an issue, 10 dollars and 10 minutes of work will get you a Vang Comp Big Dome Safety which, in my opinion, trumps the Rem factory safety and rivals the Mossy tang safety.
Personally, I find Rems to be easier to clean and disassemble.
Also, the Marine Magnum is 6+1. If seven shells can't do the job, you could always throw on a butt cuff or sidesaddle for an extra 4-6 rounds.
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and for this application?
I live on a private, 45 acre island, with one other person. Great amount of humidity, salt air, etc. Am interested in a Mossberg Mariner, but these posts make me consider the Remington and Winchester as well. I like the pistol grip of the Mossberg. The main deciding factor, however, is going to be CORROSION resistance! This is a very harsh environment, no A/C, and the gun in question will be kept in a "panic room" (most likely in a pelican case).
How does this environment sway the opinion here?
Thanks!
jcc
I live on a private, 45 acre island, with one other person. Great amount of humidity, salt air, etc. Am interested in a Mossberg Mariner, but these posts make me consider the Remington and Winchester as well. I like the pistol grip of the Mossberg. The main deciding factor, however, is going to be CORROSION resistance! This is a very harsh environment, no A/C, and the gun in question will be kept in a "panic room" (most likely in a pelican case).
How does this environment sway the opinion here?
Thanks!
jcc
I'm partial to 870s.
So are all the older, richer guys I know, guys who have decades of experience with shotguns and more 12 Gauge pump guns than I do guns total, and who can and do buy whatever they want, new and old. When it comes to pump guns, they seem to like Model 12s and 870s, with a few Ithacas thrown in. Since the Model 12 hasn't been made since gasoline was .25 a gallon, that leaves the 870 and the Ithaca 37.
I know a guy who has shot a Mossberg to death, just hunting. I know others who have put many more rounds through 870s that still look and work like new. For your purposes, this may not matter, but ease of maintenance does.
The only downside to the 870 is that its structurally-superior receiver can develop surface rust and pitting if poorly maintained and stored, since it's steel rather than aluminum. The Marine Magnum takes care of that.
Or... This gun is Parkerized. It comes with a pistol grip and an 8-round magazine. That doesn't mean a mag extension, it means a true one-piece 8-round magazine, solidly supported at the muzzle end. Once you're in the over-$500 price range for a specialized gun, it's well worth a look. Smoothest pump ever made, according to some. And since it ejects through the bottom, it won't get oil on the inside of your gun case.
http://www.ithacagunsusa.com/lawenforcementmodel.html
EDIT: Unfortunately, you may have a hard time actually BUYING the Ithaca until they get their lines rolling along later in the year. I'm basing this on another thread I started because I'm toying with the idea of getting an Ithaca for upland birds.
So are all the older, richer guys I know, guys who have decades of experience with shotguns and more 12 Gauge pump guns than I do guns total, and who can and do buy whatever they want, new and old. When it comes to pump guns, they seem to like Model 12s and 870s, with a few Ithacas thrown in. Since the Model 12 hasn't been made since gasoline was .25 a gallon, that leaves the 870 and the Ithaca 37.
I know a guy who has shot a Mossberg to death, just hunting. I know others who have put many more rounds through 870s that still look and work like new. For your purposes, this may not matter, but ease of maintenance does.
The only downside to the 870 is that its structurally-superior receiver can develop surface rust and pitting if poorly maintained and stored, since it's steel rather than aluminum. The Marine Magnum takes care of that.
Or... This gun is Parkerized. It comes with a pistol grip and an 8-round magazine. That doesn't mean a mag extension, it means a true one-piece 8-round magazine, solidly supported at the muzzle end. Once you're in the over-$500 price range for a specialized gun, it's well worth a look. Smoothest pump ever made, according to some. And since it ejects through the bottom, it won't get oil on the inside of your gun case.
http://www.ithacagunsusa.com/lawenforcementmodel.html
EDIT: Unfortunately, you may have a hard time actually BUYING the Ithaca until they get their lines rolling along later in the year. I'm basing this on another thread I started because I'm toying with the idea of getting an Ithaca for upland birds.
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BTW here's a highroader's experience with a HD Mossberg:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=114293
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=114293
870 man here, just 'cuz that's what I've used and am comfortable with. The Mossbergs I've handled feel kinda junky in comparison. Also, the 870 has a steel receiver compared to the Mossberg's aluminum. Just feels better to have that little extra heft.
There are a number of reasons why the 870 is generally considered to be more durable than the Mossy, but I think the main reason is the steel receiver of the 870 vs the aluminum receiver of the Mossy.
There is another thing to consider about high capacity tube magazines: most police departments fully load (4rds) in the standard capacity mags but only load 4-5 rounds in the high cap mags. Historically the reason was that the spring pressure of a fully loaded hicap mag could cause the shell casings to expand over time and drag in the tube.
This may be a nonissue with todays ribbed, plastic shells, but something to think about. In my hicap shotguns, I load 5 and use the reserve capacity to:
1: preserve the mag spring over long storage periods
2: to allow me to add slugs or other type ammo immediately if required.
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I keep the shotgun I want ready for home defense with an empty chamber, cycled action (cocked), safety off. My reason for this is that if I ever have to use the weapon it is only ready to go if the action is released and cycled so if I should lose control of the weapon before I can cycle it I will have some time to go to plan "B". Idea is "proprietory to the user"
There is another thing to consider about high capacity tube magazines: most police departments fully load (4rds) in the standard capacity mags but only load 4-5 rounds in the high cap mags. Historically the reason was that the spring pressure of a fully loaded hicap mag could cause the shell casings to expand over time and drag in the tube.
This may be a nonissue with todays ribbed, plastic shells, but something to think about. In my hicap shotguns, I load 5 and use the reserve capacity to:
1: preserve the mag spring over long storage periods
2: to allow me to add slugs or other type ammo immediately if required.
Edited to add:
I keep the shotgun I want ready for home defense with an empty chamber, cycled action (cocked), safety off. My reason for this is that if I ever have to use the weapon it is only ready to go if the action is released and cycled so if I should lose control of the weapon before I can cycle it I will have some time to go to plan "B". Idea is "proprietory to the user"
deputy tom
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I like both but voted Mossberg Mariner because I've wanted one for a long time.Heck,they'll all outlast me.tom.
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