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What is the most reliable auto loading 12-gauge? I want one that will punch out a full 10 boxes plus without a cleaning and no problems whatever.

My Dad's Rem 1100 won't do it.

Edit to add: And neither will my Browning A-500.


Is there one?
 
1100s should, seen too many over too many years with tens of thousands to hundred thousand rds fired thru them do so.
Heck, we never shot a competition with a clean gun. Unwritten rule. We would shoot , including 1100s, 6, 8, 10, 12 - 16 practice rds a day. Each round being a box (25 rds).

Ammo? These 1100s were designed to shoot a certain ammo, if too light a loading they will not run, were not designed to run this ammo.

Had the gas ports been messed with?

I'd check the gun, maybe even check the recoil spring. I dunno, Seen 1100s go 25k rds a year - for years and not need the recoil spring replaced.

Win Super X Model 1 is my personal favorite. It was Bob Bristers too. Mine has 300k rds I personally put thru it in all kinds of exposures. Still run, no glitches.

Beretta 303, 390/ 391 run.

Browning B 80

Newer SX2 are great.

1100, heck I am guessing, but one of the ladies has a 20 ga, and in 3 days time we never cleaned it and with everyone shooting it that wanted to , seems we went thru 30 boxes of ammo? Something like that. No malfs, no hiccups, just used good ammo / quality reloads is all.
 
I'd put my money on the Saiga. Mine's only failed to feed once and that was when I was trying to bump-fire it. It tore my belt loop off.
 
That is one ugly shotgun!

No offense, but I was hoping to find a reliable AND beautiful shotgun autoloader.

That ruskie shotty is just ugly. For self defense or swamp warfare, OK. But not for the field.
 
Beretta 391 is what most of the high volume skeet shooters use.
They use it because it works!
 
Benelli M2

Mine went 20 cases, (20 cases as in 20 big boxes containing 10 small boxes of 25 rounds) before I cleaned it out of boredom.


Well i cleaned the chokes every 2 weeks. But never cleaned the gun.
 
I want one that will punch out a full 10 boxes plus without a cleaning and no problems whatever.
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250 rounds is just a warm up for my Beretta 391 which in my own testing went though 60 boxes of either one ounce or 7/8s ounce ammunition before a FTF. My older 390 did just as well.

After that FTF after 1,500 rounds I squirted some Breakfree CLP into the action and it went 2,000 rounds more before having another problem.

I believe that if I were using heavier 3 dram 1-1/8 ounce I'd be able to go a lot further without cleaning the gun.
 
I routinely run a case (10 Boxes, 250rds) through my 11-87s (2 Skeet, 1 trap)with no problems. Same with my 390 Golden Mallard.

You do have to clean them once in awhile, and on the Remmies I change the o ring every 2500 rds or so.
 
When I was using an 1100 20g std frame for a skeet gun, my normal cleaning routine was after every 1-2 flats through it. Rarely hiccuped on me and when it did, it was always ammo or shooter related.
 
Beauty?

Beauty is in the results.

Beauty is on the score card at the end of the match.

Saiga 12. 6,500+ rounds. 2 malfunctions.
 
Beretta 390

In my experience the Beretta 390 series has been the most reliable semi-auto shotgun I've ever worked with.....I used to regularly go 2500-3000 rounds between cleanings[and then only because I was heading to a major tourny, and felt guilty:rolleyes: ]. I've found Beretta gas guns more trouble free than the recoil opereated Benelli's.

BTW, sm, last time I saw Bob Brister shooting [US Open a few years back], he was shooting a Beretta Auto!
 
My Dad's Rem 1100 won't do it.
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My 35-year-old 1100 will do it just fine. Rem-Oil (really thin and non-fouling) may be part of the reason. Are you using thick oil on your semiautos?

You may need to strip and clean it thoroughly, and replace the O-ring and maybe the pistons, at this point. I don't know how old it is and what it's been through. But once it's working, it should keep working.

I use gun wipes occasionally. Once in a while I wipe down the outside of the mag tube (where the piston rides) with a Rem-Oil Wipe from Wal-Mart, before I wipe out the receiver with it and run it down the barrel with a stick a few times. Apart from some grease on break-actions and a judicious drop of oil here and there on repeaters, that's all the cleaning I do to any of my shotguns, until I'm ready for an occasional "real" cleaning session in the back patio.

If I don't need lubricating qualities, just rust prevention, I like Bullfrog Gun Wipes a lot. If I want a little oil, I'll use the Rem-Oil wipes.

Any of the Remingtons and Berettas that have dominated the gas-operated shotgun market, as well as the less-common but much-loved Brownings and Winchesters, should shoot a case without cleaning -- assuming you only mean fouling. If you get the things full of mud, sand, excess gun oil, etc., a lot of guns get funky, even pump-actions. And Benellis are known for infrequent cleaning requirements.

(I'm guessing a rechambered AK probably isn't the best choice for you if you have an 1100 and an A500).
 
John, that's why we all shoot different games. :) But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
Will Fennell,

Yes I know he shot a Beretta Auto. Heck I have shot Beretta Autos.

Work with me here will ya ? :D

Too many years ago I met Brister, and shot with him. I had my Win SX1. I also had with me a Beretta 303 in 12 and 20 ga. [This dates me and how long ago this was].

I mean c'mon, someone around here has to post about the Old Days, Old Guns like SX1s, 303s and such.

Wayback Machine: Beretta had the neatest single shot shotgun at one time. I forget the name, and number designation. Came in all 4 gauges, real simple to break down to fit into a backpack.

I am only 51, give me a few years and I will start posting how we used to have walk uphill, barefoot in the snow , during the summer to shoot skeet, 5 stand and sporting clays...:D

Dave - where is Dave? He remembers. :neener:
 
sm,

I'm 51 and still have to walk uphill, barefoot, during the summer in the snow to shoot!:neener: Do you have rain there too?
 
Yep, sure do!

Gotta dodge the ducks slipping and sliding around too. Crossing that alligator filled Moat is something else too..

New students I assit with? Well that is why I start them out on a Reliable Semi-Auto - like a 1100 in 28 gauge. Easy to Tote. :D

Will - you gotta get Beretta to make a 28 gauge Semi Auto, just gotta.
WE both know the value of a 28 ga for new students. Some are physically limited and this guage in a semi really fits a niche for say shooters with detached retina.

Not to mention a Beretta Semi in 28 ga sure would be easy to tote uphill, both to and from the clay field, in the hot humid South, in the summmer. :D


Oh that 'gator filled moat is a real good teaching tool...when up to your rear end in 'gators - "just shoot the durn gun". I tell 'em :)
 
Before I bought a Citori, I had a Beretta 391 that I would run 500 rds. between cleanings. I only cleaned it every 500 because I just felt better doing a little maintenance. It could have gone longer between cleanings.
 
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