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JohnKSa: said:
Interesting.

So what you're saying is that if I buy a product that claims to offer superior corrosion protection I must verify the types of steel alloys it has been tested on, insure that the environmental conditions where I live match the testing conditions and also be careful not to get anything other than standardized testing solutions on it if I want to be sure of getting the corrosion protection benefit I paid for?

My, my, my, ...that's a bit extreme. :scrutiny:

I never said any such thing.

Why do you feel so compelled to keep trying to put words in my mouth after asking me for my opinion?

An extremely hostile, over reactionary interpretation such as yours (quoted above) only causes me to believe that you are indeed just looking for an argument (a fight) and is certainly not very "High Road" of you.

I am through with you now and your unjustified rudeness.

Please cease asking anymore of me.
 
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Yondering: said:
Here's one UOA from Bitog user Curtis Newton, using Tufoil in his Lexus. (The results are in the column dated 12/15/07)

Here's Bitog user deven's UOA w/Tufoil in his Lexus too!
Here's another UOA from deven, using 4oz. of Tufoil.

Thanks!

Looking at these three UOAs it is possible to make an "a very approximate educated guess" ;) as to the quantity of Molybdenum contributed to the three oil samples (of PP5w30 and PP5w20) on those fills by the Tufoil since the PP product line in 5w## usually runs about 45-55 ppm Mo.

Since these three UOAs yield levels of 146-192 ppm of Mo on the UOA and assuming that there is some exhaustion/consumption of the Mo additive over the OCI of ~5000 miles, it appears that the Tufoil additive increases the level of Mo over that already present by about 120 ppm or ~240% "on average".

Not too shabby... ;)
 
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You provided some observations on the lack of control of the testing. I agree with you that the issues you point out will make providing absolute results impossible. e.g. Based on this test, this product will provide X hours of protection in a standardized salt spray test. (Not possible.)

However, I don't see any reason why the tests (at least the ones that took painst to avoid /contamination/cross contamination) would not provide accurate RELATIVE results. e.g. Based on this test, product X can be expected to outperform product Y in terms of corrosion protection.

You provided a list of "glaring problems" in the testing. A very thorough list. Unfortunately unless there is a reasonable explanation for how those problems could be expected to actually CHANGE the test results then they amount to nothing more than nitpicking.
Please cease asking anymore of me.
Like the rabbit said to his friend who was being chased by a coyote: "Once you jump up, you gotta keep running!" :D

If you can reasonably explain how your list of "problems" will invalidate the test results then everyone who reads this thread will have learned something valuable about corrosion testing. Frankly, I'd like that since this is a topic that interests me considerably.

On the other hand, if you can't reasonably explain how your list of "problems" will invalidate the test results then everyone will have learned something about you.

Which gets us back to these three questions:

How would changing the specific steel alloy used in corrosion testing reasonably be expected to affect the RELATIVE results?

How would changing the environmental conditions (temperature/humidity) used in corrosion testing reasonably be expected to affect the RELATIVE results?

How would changing the specific test solution used in corrosion testing reasonably be expected to affect the RELATIVE results?
 
John you have effectivly chased 2 posters off this thread now. Winning an argument by default is somewhat akin to winning the NASCAR race because of a rainout, but it thats whats makes you happy, so be it. Continue in your own little world and bask in your personal endeavors, what ever they may bring you. I as others are done with your bickering, I realize you will have a comeback, just remember it is now raining in your winners circle.

May you have a Good Day anyway, even with your additidude.

Hi Oh Silver and Away
 
I have merely posted my opinions and backed them up with logic and such facts and knowledge as I have available to me. I expect others to do the same and have even invited them to do so. I always assume that if a person can refute my arguments with facts then they will--after all, who comes to a discussion forum only to agree and be agreed with?

It's always possible that a person will run out of facts or logic before they run out of opinion and if that happens I suppose they might feel like they are being chased away but that is not my intent. I post here and elsewhere with the intent of informing or of being informed depending on how the discussion plays out. Sometimes I'm right and others have the opportunity to be informed, sometimes I'm wrong and I get the chance to learn something new. Either way my time is well spent.
 
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