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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by eastbank, Aug 4, 2016.

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  1. frontiergander

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    i dont see any of those military guys holding it that close to the muzzle though.

    When he was going through the brush, he lifted his arm a bit to push some brush and as he did, his pinkie kind of went up in front of the barrel like you do when you "properly" drink a cup of tea. BANG, then the grunting came on.
     
  2. Jim Watson

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    John Taylor said it was usual for an African gunbearer to carry your rifle butt to the rear so you could grab it upon seeing game. He also said he would probably have it upside down.
     
  3. eastbank

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    when hunting i prefer to carry my own rifle, not having another man carrying it and not by the muzzle. i wonder if your rifle would be on your shoulder muzzle first here. eastbank.
     

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    The real tragedy here is that the man will never pick his nose normally again. Let's never forget that.


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  5. WVGunman

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    The advantage seems to be the weight of the weapon is born by the shoulders, not the arms, making it easier to manage. But I agree with anyone else who thinks that it's dumb to do this with a round in the chamber or a cap on the nipple.
     
  6. Crawdad1

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    I carry my flintlock rifle like that over the shoulder, my hand midway down the barrel, hammer at half cock but there is no one ahead of me and its through an open field. Never through brush or trees. In other words, and like CraigC said, when the situation dictates its an easy way to carry a rifle.
     
  7. Steel Horse Rider

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    I walked many a mile in hardwood timber in southern Iowa when youth carrying a loaded rifle. Not once did I want to put it on my shoulder muzzle first. Showing pictures of GI's carrying automatic weapons with belts of ammo hanging around them is a lot like comparing driving a semi truck with driving a Model T. What is your point?????
     
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    So what exactly is the problem with this method of carry?
     
  9. huntsman

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    Well in defense of Sas a muzzle loader is a heavy rifle, every hawken replica I've owned was in the 10lb range, that's why they had a sling ;)

    As for carry on the shoulder that's how I carry my SXS, if walking out of the woods it's broke open but between coverts it ain't.
     
  10. Crawdad1

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    That's what I want to know, what's the problem with this method of carry? Muzzleloaders are long and heavy and the vast majority of them have no way to attach a sling so laying it on your shoulder makes sense. That is, as long as you don't have your hand over the muzzle. That's what I thought this whole thread was about.
     
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    Thanks. I really hate the feeling of spewing soda out of my nose.
     
  12. Steel Horse Rider

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    I am not saying that there is anything wrong with it, only that I don't see any advantage to a shoulder carry unless you wish to shoot your finger off. There are much simpler ways to do that........ You may carry your rifle any way you prefer, as long as I am not walking in front of you, but be sure to accept responsibility for your judgement when something happens... That is my entire point. I am probably just an old fart but carrying a 10 pound rifle is not a hardship for me, especially if you consider the weight of a pack or other gear that one would carry on a long hunt.
     
  13. Crawdad1

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    It is when that rifle is 4 1/2 feet long.

    But, I see your point.
     
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    If I were looking at that buff I would have my rifle on my shoulder all right, butt pad firmly against it, and the safety off. That's a big buffalo to be careless with...

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    I think with no capped nipple and when not holding right on the muzzle, there is nothing wrong with this.
     
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    How do you carry that 10lb rifle? How do you carry your pack? Are you using a sling? Is your pack not slung over your shoulders?

    The whole point, since you never asked but assumed/implied it was invalid, is that the weight is carried on your shoulders and not by your arms. You know what you use when you aim said rifle? Your arms. So it makes plenty of sense to me, whether your carrying a 10lb muzzleloader (like I do) or a 14lb double rifle on the plains of Africa, to carry that weight on your shoulder(s) to save your arm strength for when you actually need it. You're effectually accomplishing the same thing as a sling, without using one.

    As I said before, it should be blatantly obvious, to the point of not even mentioning it, that you wouldn't want to do this if someone was walking in front of you. Although the muzzle could easily be shifted to the side, which is how I usually do it anyway.
     
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    Rifle sling.


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  18. Steel Horse Rider

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    When I am carrying a rifle on my shoulder I usually carry it muzzle up.
     
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    Y'know, aside from the nose pickin' disability it seems it might've been a good idea to save that digit and mount it like a rabbits foot...........sure would make an interesting conversation piece.
     
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    Miller specifically stated he carried it muzzle forward because his camera man is always in a trail position.
     
  21. eastbank

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    i carry my rifles on my shoulder with a sling or with one hand muzzle forward. or both hands with the muzzle forward when getting ready to shoot, if you are blindsided by a animal that may kill you, the over the shoulder muzzle first is slow to get into action. try it and you will see. eastbank.
     

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    I've never carried any rifle holding it at or over the muzzle. So far I still have 10 fingers. Knock on wood.
     
  23. Crawdad1

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    Eastbank, I can't argue with you because you have been to Africa to hunt and I haven't so your experiences hold far more weight than mine. Africa is not only the ultimate hunting experience, but also the most dangerous.

    Good luck to you sir.
     
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    You're reaching. Over the shoulder will be considerably quicker than grabbing one off a sling and give up little to one handed down by your side. Not to mention saving your arm fatigue. There's obviously a lot of rhetoric here from folks who have never tried it. :rolleyes:
     
  25. eastbank

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    if you are carrying with the muzzle rearward holding the rifle by the pistol grip, i will agree with you. but not with the muzzle foreward gripping it be the barrel. with the rifle slung on your shooting shoulder you can grip the rear top of the butt stock and swing it down around with the rifle comming up ready to shoot pretty quick. i have done it and after trying it a few times it is quite easy. not just rhetoric as i have been hunting for over 60 years in the USA- mexico-canada and four countries in africa(over 40 animals taken in africa from cape buffalo to dikker). nothing personal. eastbank.
     

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