I received this in the mail from Gary Marbut - Montana Shooting Sports Association aka MSSA.
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Gary, thank you for all of your hard work in ALL gun issues.
Catherine
MSSA Member
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Column - Gary Marbut: Don't mix tactics with strategy
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Gary Marbut
(Re: John Kanelis' column, Aug. 24, "An armed campus isn't always a safer campus.")
MISSOULA, Mont. - Kanelis fatally confuses strategic issues with tactical issues.
I am a member of the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors, and I am an instructor certified several ways. I've trained thousands of military, police and civilian personnel in the safe and defensive use of firearms.
First, I suggest that he looks back on his former distrust of the Texas concealed carry law revision, and the subsequent lesson that the result was not as bad as he had feared and articulated. The lesson is that Kanelis tends to trust responsible citizens too little and rely on professional law enforcement personnel too much.
Police can almost never interpose themselves between a madman and his victims. The usual response time for a SWAT team to be fully deployed and ready to interdict at a campus shooting will be from 30 minutes to an hour. How many corpses can pile up in that time? And, the standard doctrine for the first-arriving police officers will be to hold and establish a perimeter for the incident, not to intervene. These are the lessons written in innocent blood from Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University.
What about Kanelis' scenario of the armed professor seeking to stop a madman? About any public policy, you can say, "What if?"
You can create all sorts of challenging scenarios, none of which will be the one that actually happens - that's just the reality of how life works.
But, not to dismiss your "what if" too quickly, this is a tactical question, not a strategic or public policy question. If I were the theoretical professor, I'd call 911 on my cell phone, describe myself (by size, color and type and color of clothing, etc.) and declare that I am seeking to intervene. This information will be radioed immediately to all responding officers and becomes just a small, additional element in the constellation of information they will take into account as they address the situation.
Further, police doctrine is not to simply shoot anyone armed. Police are trained to apply continuum of force as needed, and to use lethal force only if they believe themselves or another to be at serious risk of injury or loss of life. They are not trigger-happy cowboys, shooting at anything or everything that moves.
So, while Kanelis' imagined scenario is provocative, it is not realistic, just as former predictions of shootouts on street corners under more liberal concealed carry laws turned out to be unrealistic.
The reality is that a madman run amok where armed citizens are present is much more likely to have been neutralized before police ever make entrance to the location, maybe before the first officer arrives to begin establishing a containment perimeter. And, the likelihood is that any such armed response will save (not cost) lives, such as happened in the real-world incidents in the Colorado church and the Utah mall, even if not in the imaginary incidents coming from the fertile imaginations of detractors.
I suspect that Kanelis has relatively little knowledge about the tactical use of firearms for self-defense. I train lots of people here in Montana (especially men) who think that by virtue of breathing in Montana air they have pretty well gotten what there is to know about firearm use.
I urge Kanelis to learn more. Take a self-defense class. Learn to use firearms. Learn that you can take responsibility for your own personal security and not be required to depend on others for safety or your life.
When Kanelis is more familiar with firearms and self-defense, I suspect this picture will look somewhat different.
Gary Marbut is president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association and is author of "Gun Laws of Montana."
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I have permission to put it up on a board.
Gary, thank you for all of your hard work in ALL gun issues.
Catherine
MSSA Member
http://www.amarillo.com/stories/090208/opi_opin2.shtml
Column - Gary Marbut: Don't mix tactics with strategy
Opinion
Column
Post a comment here
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Gary Marbut
(Re: John Kanelis' column, Aug. 24, "An armed campus isn't always a safer campus.")
MISSOULA, Mont. - Kanelis fatally confuses strategic issues with tactical issues.
I am a member of the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors, and I am an instructor certified several ways. I've trained thousands of military, police and civilian personnel in the safe and defensive use of firearms.
First, I suggest that he looks back on his former distrust of the Texas concealed carry law revision, and the subsequent lesson that the result was not as bad as he had feared and articulated. The lesson is that Kanelis tends to trust responsible citizens too little and rely on professional law enforcement personnel too much.
Police can almost never interpose themselves between a madman and his victims. The usual response time for a SWAT team to be fully deployed and ready to interdict at a campus shooting will be from 30 minutes to an hour. How many corpses can pile up in that time? And, the standard doctrine for the first-arriving police officers will be to hold and establish a perimeter for the incident, not to intervene. These are the lessons written in innocent blood from Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University.
What about Kanelis' scenario of the armed professor seeking to stop a madman? About any public policy, you can say, "What if?"
You can create all sorts of challenging scenarios, none of which will be the one that actually happens - that's just the reality of how life works.
But, not to dismiss your "what if" too quickly, this is a tactical question, not a strategic or public policy question. If I were the theoretical professor, I'd call 911 on my cell phone, describe myself (by size, color and type and color of clothing, etc.) and declare that I am seeking to intervene. This information will be radioed immediately to all responding officers and becomes just a small, additional element in the constellation of information they will take into account as they address the situation.
Further, police doctrine is not to simply shoot anyone armed. Police are trained to apply continuum of force as needed, and to use lethal force only if they believe themselves or another to be at serious risk of injury or loss of life. They are not trigger-happy cowboys, shooting at anything or everything that moves.
So, while Kanelis' imagined scenario is provocative, it is not realistic, just as former predictions of shootouts on street corners under more liberal concealed carry laws turned out to be unrealistic.
The reality is that a madman run amok where armed citizens are present is much more likely to have been neutralized before police ever make entrance to the location, maybe before the first officer arrives to begin establishing a containment perimeter. And, the likelihood is that any such armed response will save (not cost) lives, such as happened in the real-world incidents in the Colorado church and the Utah mall, even if not in the imaginary incidents coming from the fertile imaginations of detractors.
I suspect that Kanelis has relatively little knowledge about the tactical use of firearms for self-defense. I train lots of people here in Montana (especially men) who think that by virtue of breathing in Montana air they have pretty well gotten what there is to know about firearm use.
I urge Kanelis to learn more. Take a self-defense class. Learn to use firearms. Learn that you can take responsibility for your own personal security and not be required to depend on others for safety or your life.
When Kanelis is more familiar with firearms and self-defense, I suspect this picture will look somewhat different.
Gary Marbut is president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association and is author of "Gun Laws of Montana."
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