Muslim Restrictions on Hunting Questions

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This question comes from a conversation I had with a Muslim hunter the other day. He told me that in order to be able to eat an animal that is hunted it must only be wounded and then killed in the traditional slaughter method of slitting the throat and allowing the animal to bleed to death through the veins in the throat. I was curious about several things but time and language barriars prevented adequate explanation.

First is this generally accepted everwhere or is it a regional/sect thing?

Second what technique is used to wound the animal and not kill it with bullets or arrows so that the meat is not wasted?

Third are there other restrictions on hunting?

Thanks in advance.
PS: I may not be able to check back for a few days, the thread is not an orphan I just have connectivitiy issues like you would not believe.
 
HA HA my thoughts exactly !! :what: But seriously I appreciate the guys religious philosephy but that sounds both dangerous and inhumane to me , I bet they dont have a section for that in the hunter training course .
 
Titan6 - this is an interesting take. I don't know particularly for Muslims, but I do know certain other religions change hunting views depending on style of living.

Buddhists for example: in places where food is plentiful, one should not eat meat at all. The exception is if someone killed an animal for a special occasion, one should not let the meat go to waste. In other places, such as remote tibetan mountains where it is hard to grow food, one is allowed to hunt as long as it is only for food and is done as quickly, rarely, and painlessly as possible.

I'm thinking the Muslim guidelines you mention are much the same way (will vary depending on naturally available foods). Desert Muslims do traditionally kill raised goats by slitting the throat, but the one I talked to said it was to retain the blood for other uses, and not to let it go to waste.

JMHOFWIW
 
Attempting to slit the throat on a wounded Whitetail could get your friend seriously injured, if not killed. And I know firsthand that a "laying on of the hands" on a wounded woodchuck can get the Holy Deuteronomy bitten out of a person in a flash. Methinks your friend could be speaking with knowledge he doesn't have.

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Ooops should have mentioned I am in Iraq, no Whitetail or black bears here. The reason I am asking is because as a military advisor we try to learn all about the culture so as not to offend.

My understanding of the animals we are to hunt is a "deer like" animal of about 60-80 pounds in body weight that lives in the desert as well as a "turkey like bird" that is 10-12 pounds. I don't think either is particularly dangerous.

But I did get a kick out of the mental image of sneaking up on a wounded bear to slit it's throat That was hilarious :D

Edit- Oh and blood is a definite no-go out here. These guys won't touch any meat unless it has been cooked to somewhere between well done and jerky. I have seen them slaughter at least 50sheep. It always the same way.
 
If you get an opportunity, look up "Halal" on Wikipedia or someplace similar - you will find some explanation for what you have heard. From what I have been told by Muslim acquaintances, the animal must not die prior to being bled, so no stunning or other typical slaughterhouse methods are allowed in order to prevent an accidental early death or animal suffering. Blood is considered unclean (due to health concerns, according to modern interpretation), and any meat contaminated should not be consumed. The throat slitting also follows prescribed rituals and includes a blessing.

There are also rules about how domestic animals should be housed, fed and otherwise treated which might surprise you - they are very similar to many of the discussions people have today about cage free chickens and grass fed beef.

If I understand correctly, religious Muslims take the dietary rules very seriously and do everything possible to follow the rules, including the "no killing prior to throat slitting" concept.

brad
 
Titan6,
First I'd like to thank you for the tough job your doing and putting yourself in harms way.

"He told me that in order to be able to eat an animal that is hunted it must only be wounded and then killed in the traditional slaughter method of slitting the throat and allowing the animal to bleed to death through the veins in the throat."
First is this generally accepted everwhere or is it a regional/sect thing?
In slaughter houses hanging a animal as your slicing it's throat is a method of bleeding them out and production. In hunting I've met people from S. America, Europe, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and all of them want to shoot to kill. I've not heard that about shooting to wound/disable and then run up and cut the critters throat. There is something basically wrong with religion being mixed with hunting.


Second what technique is used to wound the animal and not kill it with bullets or arrows so that the meat is not wasted?
Instead of aiming to hit in the heart, lungs, or neck vertebre, you would have to aim to break legs. Break the spine above the hips to paralize. Non of it sounds to good. All of these shots to wound/disable ruin more meat then shooting to kill. Plus they make the animal suffer.

Third are there other restrictions on hunting?
Not sure what you meant here. Some states have restrictions on cartrdge/caliber, to make sure your using enoough gun to make a killing shot.

Good luck to you and stay well,
 
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If Halal practices are required even for game animals..., then I'd say Muslims should not sport-hunt, for a basic principal is a quick, clean, humane kill, and shooting to wound is opposite of that. Further, if you mess up and don't wound the animal, and you kill it before bleeding...., do you let it lay and rot? Again, against sport-hunting ethics. (I write "sport-hunting" as in a survival situation, where the only viable source of protein is the game animal, and you have to follow your religious food practices..., it's a different situation.)

LD
 
Id just add that in addition to the ban on pork, halal (and kosher) dietary practices also ban other animal s- and I always thought it had to do with having split hooves (like horses, deer, etc) but folks only focused on pigs since its one of the 3 main protein sources.

I don't know. It might be different depending on where you are . . . and which sect. My neighbor does middle eastern cultural training for marines before they are shipped out, I'll ask him.

I always thought a lot of middle easterners hunted, and hunted to kill, but then not everyone is as religious as others.
 
Pak translates to something like ritually clean.

halal , dont quote me on this but I think it is something in the order of ok to eat.

haraam ? dont know but haram, mean against the faith, sorta...

Makrooh, is to do something not recommended, or it could mean shameful but acceptable.

of course, I could be wrong on all of these I translated from a very old dictionary.
 
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You learn something new everyday.
Thanks, OP -- for your service to this country and for asking this question. I'm always curious about other cultures and how they handle things like hunting.



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For every guideline like this:

(viii) One should take small bits of food.
(x) One should chew the food thoroughly.

theres one like this:

2640. * It is Makrooh to eat the meat of a horse, a mule or a donkey. If a person has sexual intercourse with them those animals become haraam, and as a precaution, their offspring become haraam also, and their urine and dung become Najis. Such animals should be taken out of the city and should be sold at some other place. And as for the person who committed the sexual intercourse with the animal, it will be necessary to give its price to the owner. Similarly, if a person commits sexual intercourse with an animal like cow and sheep, the meat of which it is lawful to eat, its urine and excrement become Najis, and it is also haraam to eat their meat, and to drink their milk. As a precaution, same will be the case with their offsprings. Such an animal should be instantly killed and burnt, and one, who has had sexual intercourse with the animal should pay its price to its owner.

Simply fascinating. Gives new meaning to "don't play with your food"
-g
 
2640. * It is Makrooh to eat the meat of a horse, a mule or a donkey. If a person has sexual intercourse with them those animals become haraam, and as a precaution, their offspring become haraam also, and their urine and dung become Najis. Such animals should be taken out of the city and should be sold at some other place. And as for the person who committed the sexual intercourse with the animal, it will be necessary to give its price to the owner. Similarly, if a person commits sexual intercourse with an animal like cow and sheep, the meat of which it is lawful to eat, its urine and excrement become Najis, and it is also haraam to eat their meat, and to drink their milk. As a precaution, same will be the case with their offsprings. Such an animal should be instantly killed and burnt, and one, who has had sexual intercourse with the animal should pay its price to its owner.
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Wait a minute...

If a person has sex with a horse, the horse is punished?

And people wonder why I want to bomb these people into non-existance.
 
It is Makrooh to eat the meat of a horse, a mule or a donkey. If a person has sexual intercourse with them those animals become haraam, and as a precaution, their offspring become haraam also, and their urine and dung become Najis...and one, who has had sexual intercourse with the animal should pay its price to its owner.
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:eek:

It happens / has happened so often that they have a special name for what the animal "becomes" afterwards, as well is it's offspring, fecal matter, and urine? As if that's not enough, it's so prevalent that they had to write a "you bang it, you buy it" policy in regard to making amends with the animal's owner?

Good gracious...
 
Not a Muslim, but I try to follow the Old Testament restrictions about not eating blood. Always drain blood out of everything I kill. However first the animal is killed as quickly and as cleanly as I can, and then it is hung and the blood drained as best I can. Always shoot to kill, never to wound. Its certainly interesting that other cultures purposely shoot to wound and not to kill.
 
If a person has sex with a horse, the horse is punished?

And people wonder why I want to bomb these people into non-existance.
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actually thats in the bible as well.

Something to the effect of kill both the man and the beast.
 
Ahhh, ALL the foregoing makes me eternally thankful that I am of Celtic ancestry! My folks may have kept a pig in their parlor, but at least they never slept with it!
 
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...they have a special name for what the animal "becomes" afterwards...
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TAB said:
actually thats in the bible as well.
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I think it's one of those situations where if they don't say it, then some idiot will think it's ok.

Kind of like how if your mom didn't actually tell you to be home before dark, you'd come home at like 1am and say, "You didn't tell me...".

:D


-T.
 
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